Utterly Normal Blood Sugars

CherryAA

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Tests of "normal " people , show that they send 91% of the time under 6.7 mmol and 99% of the time under 7.8 mmol

I have just recorded a "normal " week for the first time ever - under 6.7mmol 91% under 7.8 mmol 100% !
 

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That's great @CherryAA
I also am trying to aim at normal but there seems to be so many different definitions of normal. When I complained to a GP that I could still spike up to 9 an hour or an hour after a meal I was told that was normal. That was when I got my first "normal" HbA1c. I presume I need to get a libre and see what is actually happening as with finger tests I won't be finding my peak. Anyway well done and keep it up.
 

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I have found the following things work

Low carb (( under 30g) Moderate protein ( under 70 g) balance fats - no restriction on saturated
Being in a state of ketosis or 0.5 or above during the day (0.2 on waking)
having a calorie deficit of around 1000 calories
eating only 2 meals a day with a fairly narrow eating window
eating before 7pm without alcohol
eating after 7pm needs to be coupled with some alcohol - whisky /wine in moderate quantities
No late night snacking
My enhanced bullet proof coffee to stave off hunger pangs where necessary ( the recipe has been posted on here )

using this approach my fasting blood sugars say under around 5.5 , my morning liver dump still keeps me within normal range and after about 2 pm I'm back to around 5.5 or below for the rest of the day.

My goal is to try to get to under 5.5 before bed the previous night , which gives me a good starting point the next day.
 

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I don't really do any of those things. My carbs the last time I counted was about 100g a day, though when I was first diagnosed and trying to lose weight it was about 50g a day, Having had to put weight on I'm now trying to keep it stable although possibly lose the couple of lbs which I put on over Christmas. When I was at my lowest weight I could eat anything but according to GP I was showing signs of being malnourished so told to put on weight. I just do moderate carbs with plenty of walking.
 

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Well done @CherryAA that is excellent. :)

The problem I see with my Libre percentages is that whilst my last one said I spent 98% under 7 and only 2% above 7, with an estimated HbA1c of 33mmol/mol , I know I haven't arrived at truly normal yet. Eating something as simple as a bread bun tells me so, and my HbA1c was actually 41!
 

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Well done @CherryAA that is excellent. :)

The problem I see with my Libre percentages is that whilst my last one said I spent 98% under 7 and only 2% above 7, with an estimated HbA1c of 33mmol/mol , I know I haven't arrived at truly normal yet. Eating something as simple as a bread bun tells me so, and my HbA1c was actually 41!

I don't for an instant think that I'm cured :) and I know that the libre seem to be a bit generous to say the least ; my last official HbA1c was 44 , Having said all that, my readings are definitely responding to my diet and my diet is going well, and this is the first time that libre said to me " you could be normal" and definitely the first time I've spent a whole week under 7.8 on libre . I do like to celebrate the positive if I can :)
 

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I don't for an instant think that I'm cured :) and I know that the libre seem to be a bit generous to say the least ; my last official HbA1c was 44 , Having said all that, my readings are definitely responding to my diet and my diet is going well, and this is the first time that libre said to me " you could be normal" and definitely the first time I've spent a whole week under 7.8 on libre . I do like to celebrate the positive if I can :)

and so you should celebrate, it is a great achievement. One thing I love the Libre for isn't the actual numbers it comes up with because I know they aren't right, but they are consistent. The variability between the lows and highs and the flatness or otherwise of the graph lines are what is important.. I love the small waves and gentle curves. I don't like the big bumps! :)
 

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I haven't had any big bumps for days, just a gentle rise for the morning dump, a gentle fall as I recover from that in the afternoon. my food barely nudges the needle morning or evening . which is excellent !
 
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I haven't had any big bumps for days, just a gentle rise for the morning dump, a gentle fall as I recover from that in the afternoon. my food barely nudges the needle morning or evening . which is excellent !

I've had one or two bumps because I am part time with my Libre and I make use of it to experiment from time to time. Some of the experiments have failed, hence the bumps. Some haven't, so that is good. I also wear one when I'm on holiday, partly because of the convenience of not needing to finger prick as much, and partly because my routine is different.
 

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Its interesting how quickly one starts to think - well nothing much I am eating is affecting it so maybe I could save money by using it intermittently.

However for me, the sensor acts as a permanent reminder not to open the fridge door because now it sitting there I know that I will be stuck with looking at the consequences of that action for weeks to come. That is especially true of the later night snack, like now , my blood sugar is 4.7 , if I don't eat anything it will stay around there all night and tomorrow will be a good day. If I have a snack, then my fasting blood sugar will be at least 1 mmol higher and tomorrow will be the worst day for a week!

I know it is the thing that has kept me trying to diet, despite it being so hard to shift weight recently, because if I eat much the blood sugars go up to. I think it has been that which has kept my weight stable for the last couple of months My suspicion is that the monitor is going to be permanent. like having a little angel whispering in my ear 24/7
 

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O the libre sensor accuracy front - my 30 day reading for average blood sugar agreed totally with the Hba1 reading of 40 yesterday (5.8%)
 

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Its a precarious balance though. I can add one mmol to my average blood sugars for the next two days just by eating late one night ! - I guess keeping it lo is going to take an iron will ! oh well - needs must :)
 

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Just a thought @CherryAA
If you continue to lose weight (if you still need to) it may well improve things for you. I didn't meed to lose a lot of weight but when I got my BMI down to 19.6 I found I could eat a lot of things I had needed to avoid and even now with a BMI of about 21 I am still able to have a normal HbA1c. I am a lot less restrictive over food than I was though still very careful.
 

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Its interesting how quickly one starts to think - well nothing much I am eating is affecting it so maybe I could save money by using it intermittently.

However for me, the sensor acts as a permanent reminder not to open the fridge door because now it sitting there I know that I will be stuck with looking at the consequences of that action for weeks to come. That is especially true of the later night snack, like now , my blood sugar is 4.7 , if I don't eat anything it will stay around there all night and tomorrow will be a good day. If I have a snack, then my fasting blood sugar will be at least 1 mmol higher and tomorrow will be the worst day for a week!

I know it is the thing that has kept me trying to diet, despite it being so hard to shift weight recently, because if I eat much the blood sugars go up to. I think it has been that which has kept my weight stable for the last couple of months My suspicion is that the monitor is going to be permanent. like having a little angel whispering in my ear 24/7
I have had exactly that experience! Was stupid and had a late night snack of Camembert and walnuts at 9pm, only to wake up to BG of 6.3 when its usually 5.4-5.9... The libre is exactly like a little angel who wants me to be healthy... It has helped me so much...
 
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I do find not eating a late night snack is hard, butthe results make such a big difference to blood sugars. so its worth trying! - if the sensor helps then its worth the £50 !
 
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Just a thought @CherryAA
If you continue to lose weight (if you still need to) it may well improve things for you. I didn't meed to lose a lot of weight but when I got my BMI down to 19.6 I found I could eat a lot of things I had needed to avoid and even now with a BMI of about 21 I am still able to have a normal HbA1c. I am a lot less restrictive over food than I was though still very careful.

I'm so far away from 21 as to be talking different planets at present. I will be very pleased if I ever manage under 30 !
 
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I'm so far away from 21 as to be talking different planets at present. I will be very pleased if I ever manage under 30 !

You are doing so well. Amazing to have totally normal blood sugars in only 6 months. Your weight loss is also very good and hopefully with your excellent management this will continue.
 
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