unable to control High sugar levels

nbk3xman

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Hi all,

Im am 28 was told 1 year ago I had type 2. I have tried a range of meds nothing which made it stable.4

My question is I am taking 42 units of humalin m3 morning and night and still get sugars well over 20 in the day.

What can I do as this makes me feel terrible tired at work and forever thirsty.

Thanks in advance

Jon
 

Enclave

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Hi nbk3, I am going to tag @daisy1 who will be along with lots of useful information on understanding how to control your diabetes. You say you have tried a range of medication .. have you tried diet .. or are you following the eat well plate the diabetic team dish out ? A diet high in carbs as recommend by most diabetic nurses is going to increase your sugar levels as carbs turn to sugar when eaten.
 
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urbanracer

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Hi all,

Im am 28 was told 1 year ago I had type 2. I have tried a range of meds nothing which made it stable.4

My question is I am taking 42 units of humalin m3 morning and night and still get sugars well over 20 in the day.

What can I do as this makes me feel terrible tired at work and forever thirsty.

Thanks in advance

Jon

Firstly, welcome to the forums.

I am a T1 using mixed insulin and if I inject before breakfast then the fast acting part of the insulin is done and dusted by lunchtime. I get round this by injecting a few units of rapid acting insulin on its own to cover my lunch.

You should speak to your medical team about your sugar levels and they may suggest a different insulin regime. Alternatively have you tried ultra low carb lunches ? For many people, diet plays a big part in the ability to control ones blood blucose levels.
 
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nbk3xman

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Hi nbk3, I am going to tag @daisy1 who will be along with lots of useful information on understanding how to control your diabetes. You say you have tried a range of medication .. have you tried diet .. or are you following the eat well plate the diabetic team dish out ? A diet high in carbs as recommend by most diabetic nurses is going to increase your sugar levels as carbs turn to sugar when eaten.


Thanks for your reply. I have tried the diets.

So today for example woke up BS was 10.4 (Not to bad for me ) Go to work 1 pm have a pork sandwich on brown and a bottle of water. My blood is now 22.4 ???

Im so confused
 

nbk3xman

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Firstly, welcome to the forums.

I am a T1 using mixed insulin and if I inject before breakfast then the fast acting part of the insulin is done and dusted by lunchtime. I get round this by injecting a few units of rapid acting insulin on its own to cover my lunch.

You should speak to your medical team about your sugar levels and they may suggest a different insulin regime. Alternatively have you tried ultra low carb lunches ? For many people, diet plays a big part in the ability to control ones blood blucose levels.

On the 30/70 slow fast mix would you inject again at lunch if high ?

thanks

Jon
 

novorapidboi26

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because your a mixed insulin, essentially you could separate the two to give yourself more control over the doses...........

you could then adjust your basal/longer acting dose to hold you steady when your not eating and then adjust the quicker one to match your food....

until you can make the move to that regime though it would be wise to cut the amount of carbs your eating right down.......

when do you see the high numbers? is there a pattern?
 

nbk3xman

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because your a mixed insulin, essentially you could separate the two to give yourself more control over the doses...........

you could then adjust your basal/longer acting dose to hold you steady when your not eating and then adjust the quicker one to match your food....

until you can make the move to that regime though it would be wise to cut the amount of carbs your eating right down.......

when do you see the high numbers? is there a pattern?
Not really that's the thing they just seem high from waking up till bed then around 10 to 12 BS reading in the morning.
 

novorapidboi26

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if their higher throughout the whole day that would suggest a deficit of insulin all day......

if it was me, which it was before MDI, I would add on 2 units on each of my 2 daily doses and see how that effect my readings.........I would keep doing that until the readings were in range....

of course any dose adjustment takes time and that doesn't help your daily lethargy and thirst so you should consider taking the carbs down to smaller levels to make you feel better, always be prepared for hypos too.......
 

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Thanks for your reply. I have tried the diets.

So today for example woke up BS was 10.4 (Not to bad for me ) Go to work 1 pm have a pork sandwich on brown and a bottle of water. My blood is now 22.4 ???

Im so confused
Well if you have tried the diets ~ I am only on 20g of carbs a day so you are over that with a sandwich .. but I am not on any medication for my T2 .. if you go low carb you really should see your sugars decrease .. but you will have to adjust your medication to allow for this, so need to be working closely with your DB nurse ..
 

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@nbk3xman

Hello Jon and welcome to the forum :) Here is the information we give new members and I hope you will find it helps you. Ask more questions and someone will answer.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

LOW CARB PROGRAM:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/low carb program


Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 

urbanracer

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On the 30/70 slow fast mix would you inject again at lunch if high ?

thanks

Jon

Hi Jon,

Personally, no, I wouldn't. With a fixed insulin ratio of a 30/70 mix I would require another 10 units to stop me spiking after a 30g lunch. I'd then have too much long acting in my body and be going low mid afternoon. (Probably too low to drive home without eating again.)

As I mentioned, I have rapid acting insulin pens that were originally supplied for sick days but was advised by a DN that they could be used for bolus injections. So I just take 2-3 units before lunch depending on what I'm about to eat.

You might get away with spreading your insulin out if you spread out your carb intake to match it, but that's easier said than done if you're in a work environment all day. As always, I would strongly recommend that you talk to your medical taem before changing your insulin regime unless you have supreme confidence in what you're doing.