Can you help me with weight loss?

[Bluetit1802]

The original SHAKES used in the Newcastle uni diet with Prof Roy Taylor were Optifast (an Australian based company , hard for us to get hold of same). Optifast.com.au. This is a breakdown of their SHAKES

VLCD = very low calorie diet. 3 shakes a day + up to 3 portions of non – starchy veg each day for fibre content to provide another 200 calories.

Original 800 calorie diet
SHAKES = Energy Kj 870. Energy cal 207. Protein 17.5g. Fat 4.5g. CARBOHYDRATES 22.5g. Sugar 17.8g. Dietary fibre 3.6g. Gluten NO. Lactose YES. GI 24 – 33

Three Shakes a day at 22.5g is 67.5g CARBS daily + CARBS in the Veg. This was a controlled experiment with 800 calories under strict medical supervision.

 

[bulkbiker]

There are however plenty of other meal replacement shakes available from various supermarket own brands to no doubt extremely expensive specialised formulae.

The ND was not and has never claimed to be a low carb diet it is an extreme low calorie diet.
It seems that the diet works by removing visceral fat quickly thus helping the liver and pancreas to work more effectively.
An alternative could be Dr Valter Lungo's fasting mimicking diet or even extended fasting.

 

[Rabdos]

So it's not the absence of carbs, responsible for the dramatic effects of Newcastle diet, but the extreme calorie restriction. That's interesting, so my 1100kcal-1200kcal diet should work, even without low carbs (just bananced 40-50% carbs). Do they comment how they coped with hunger, dizziness, cravings, etc?

 

[bulkbiker]

So it's not the absence of carbs, responsible for the dramatic effects of Newcastle diet, but the extreme calorie restriction. That's interesting, so my 1100kcal-1200kcal diet should work, even without low carbs (just bananced 40-50% carbs). Do they comment how they coped with hunger, dizziness, cravings, etc?

Well no not necessarily.. the ND was a strict 800 calories per day..
3 meal replacement shakes adding up to 600 calories and 200 calories from vegetables. This was followed for 8 weeks. I have no idea how people coped with the hunger etc that probably ensued and is one of the reasons why I wouldn't want to do it. To take in 50% more calories and think it should work is maybe slightly self deceiving and would not be the Newcastle diet.
I'm surprised not to see @douglas99 here as he is one of the ND proponents as well as @Pipp.

 

[Kristin251]

I could NEVER eat that many carbs and have good bs control or lose weight.
I need fat instead of carbs to accomplish that.

Why not just eat some protein veggies and fat on a lower calorie side?

 

[ickihun]

I tried lchf as the results were fantastic in testimonials. Fat just confused things as I was changing from a muscular person to a fat one due to lack of exercise through ill health and immobility.
Bariatric surgery helps people like me lose fat as well as some muscle, hence the high protein diet.
Reduce your intake and exercise more will make a difference. Low carbing is great for lowering bgs thou. Irrespective of weight loss or not.
Try different diets to find what works for your physic and exercise capabilities?
Building muscle adds weight not reduces it but reducing muscle mass in our latter yrs isn't wise for strength and heart health.
Reducing fat by exercise is normally a winner once your insulin is working properly.
Is your insulin working properly?

 

[ladybird64]

Google is your friend
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[Rabdos]

I read this:

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Amazingly, these Newcastle researchers have chosen to ignore the outcome of a TV trial their diet took part in. Although not a scientific trial, their low calorie diet got trounced by a 40:30:30 diet which the participants had no trouble in keeping to. Scroll down to Extreme Diet Ward August 2013 for, from what I recall, is an accurate review.

http://www.fitness4london.com/reviews/

Below is part of the review.

“The first diet was a very restrictive 800 calories a day, consisting of 3 shakes formulated by Newcastle University researchers, and one portion of vegetables. The women who followed this diet found it a real struggle. They suffered mood-swings, energy crashes, and faintness. My personal view is that such restricted diets are totally pointless, and counterproductive.

The second diet was double the calories of the mega-restrictive diet, at 1,600 calories per day, divided into 4 meals. This diet was called the 40/30/30 diet, as the calorie proportions were 40% carbs, 30% protein, and 30% fat. However, the carbs were all in the form of vegetables, salad, and some fruit. The 3 women on this diet were surprised by the large quantity of veg and salad, and pleased to see steak, bacon, eggs and other real foods included, much to the resentment of the 3 women restricted to the shakes.

After the 56 day diet, the 3 women on the higher calorie diet (the 40/30/30 diet) showed far better results, two of whom were diabetes-free as a result. The women on the excessively restricted ‘shakes’ diet made less progress, but their weight did reduce and their diabetes became less severe. None of the women on the lower calorie diet became diabetes-free.”

From http://healthinsightuk.org/2014/03/...ie-diets-vlcd-wont-solve-the-diabetes-crisis/

 

[Rabdos]

I just ate a pasta meal from Tesco that had 700kcal and I am hungry few minutes after it!

I am seriously thinking I should ditch carbs altogether, but I am worried maybe I am overreacting.

 

[ladybird64]

Well, you choose not to prepare food for yourself, you've had plenty - and I do mean PLENTY - of advice so I'm sure you can come to an appropriate decision on what your next move will be. You were also given links - sure with some more Googling you can find what you need.

 

[Kristin251]

I just ate a pasta meal from Tesco that had 700kcal and I am hungry few minutes after it!

I am seriously thinking I should ditch carbs altogether, but I am worried maybe I am overreacting.

Carbs breed hunger. No secret there!!! Notmover reacting. Especially as a diabetic. Your insulin is not covering your carbs

 

[Pipp]

Well no not necessarily.. the ND was a strict 800 calories per day..
3 meal replacement shakes adding up to 600 calories and 200 calories from vegetables. This was followed for 8 weeks. I have no idea how people coped with the hunger etc that probably ensued and is one of the reasons why I wouldn't want to do it. To take in 50% more calories and think it should work is maybe slightly self deceiving and would not be the Newcastle diet.
I'm surprised not to see @douglas99 here as he is one of the ND proponents as well as @Pipp.

Hi @bulkbiker, thanks for tagging me, and apologies for my late reply.
As you quite rightly state, I do advocate Newcastle diet. Only for those who have done their 'homework' though. I.e. have read the academic papers from Prof Taylor et al, discussed with GP, and really understood that it is not a 'quick fix', and there do indeed nedd to be lifetime changes to diet and lifestyle following the very reduced calorie intake phase.
For those not already aware, I used the Newcastle diet method six years ago, and almost immediately attained non -diabetes blood glucose levels. This was after struggling with weight and increasing BG levels following the NHS recommendations for five years since T2 diagnosis. I lost a total of 49 kg, on ND, but regained 20kg in the 2 years that followed, as I had been in hospital, and immobile for much of that time. I hadn't heard of low carbing at that stage, and was for around 18 months dependent on hospital food, and others catering for me. Since I started low carbing 2 years ago, I have remained weight stable, but would like to lose more. I also have seen slight increases in HbA1c, but there are several factors which could contribute to this, including medication for other conditions.
In the first couple of years following my use of ND , it appeared that I was able to eat high carb foods without raising or spiking BG. However, I believe the weight regain has an impact on these and although I am still not seeing spikes in BG I do have higher fasting BG levels than I would like. In this respect, I believe that my experience differs to that of douglas99, who I understand does eat high carb foods, retaind stable BG, but will use ND method intermittently when he gains more weight. I am sure @douglas99 will correct this if I am mistaken.
From what I have read, ND using meal replacements could be a suitable method for @carbolysis, who does not appear to enjoy cooking. However, following the meal replacement phase, it is necessary to have a plan in place for maintenance For me the choice would be low carb, with a moderate amount of fat.

 

[ickihun]

I'm 46yr old. 32yrs ago I was an obese teenager. I used firmaloss by weider. 3 canisters for 9.99 out of argos. It was original flavour (vanilla).
I lost 7stones from a size uk22 to a uk16. I didn't have my diabetes diagnosed but had numerous symptoms which my family gp didn't recognise other than thrush.
I received top marks in my exams. 11 in total. My concentration indeed had improved.
I have done milkshake diets since then to keep my weight down. Only in the past 6yrs have I been back to that size but cannot get results from milkshakes any more. My IR is so bad I've ended up on insulin.
Hopefully having bariatric surgery I won't have to yo-yo diet again to keep my weight under control. Fingers crossed.

 

[douglas99]

I posted a reply to a similar question on another thread, so I will copy and paste it here.

I became diabetic after too many donuts, company entertaining, expense account meals, motorway service stations, and piling on weight after becoming more sedentary.

I took a lot of advice from my HCP's, and the NHS dietician, I was very well supported by getting test strips on prescription, and did a classic low fat diet for nearly a year, and attended an NHS gym.
This got my weight, and my BG down to a reasonable level.
I wasn't all the way there though, so I did the Newcastle diet, using Tesco shakes, I had read the posts that it wasn't how long it took the weight to come off, or that you could do it with real food, but I decided the Newcastle diet had clearly worked for some, so I didn't want to change to an unknown variation.
It seemed to work for me as well.
To quantify that though, I am happy to be considered non diabetic if I maintain the figures as advised on this site. http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes_care/blood-sugar-level-ranges.html
I don't chase 4's in the morning. I don't test every 15 mins to see how high my spikes are, I don't worry if I rise by more than 2, if I start at 4.8 and finish at 7.6 I'm happy.
In fact I rarely test at all now.
I do still take 500mg of Metformin, but only as I believe it has other benefits.
I realise that doesn't suit some people, but I didn't want to go from being diabetic, to worrying about being diabetic.
I'm fine if I have a normal Hba1c, and no diabetic complications, I have my annual reviews, and a private health screening as well. After 5 years I'm still good.

My lifestyle wasn't really suited to LCHF either. I did try it briefly, but it didn't work for me due to the limitations.
I enjoy being out, I don't holidays on the tourist routes, and I tend to eat with the locals, and drink with the locals.
Rice, pasta, potato, bread, all feature heavily if you eat street food. So does lager.
I scuba dive, and you can't ask the skipper to take the boat back to shore if all they have is a kettle, porridge, and instant noodles. But saying as I burn several thousand calories diving, not eating isn't an option.
I plan to overland in the coming years, I've just bought a 4x4, so it'll be in poorer counties, which are always carb heavy foods, so again I want to be able to cope with that.
I am permanently on a diet though, in the sense I won't eat a tray of donuts as a snack, I do eat Mediterranean diet when I can, I avoid saturated fats when I can, I do watch my weight, and if it creeps up again I'll go back onto the 800 cal shakes until I'm happy again, but I'll also rob Peter to pay Paul, I can overeat at Christmas, and diet in the New Year.
My tastes have changed as well, I don't enjoy sweet food, I re-educated my taste buds from sweet to spicy, so a very hot chili, or curry is better than a packet of sweets now.
But, and this is important to me, in a pinch I can eat, and live on anything, without worrying what's in it, or what effect it'll have on me.
If I couldn't do that, I would seriously have to change my life, and I don't want to do that yet.

 

[MuntiJay]

If you want to lose weight instantly you will need to work hard. At 1st you have to follow healthy diet + daily exercises. If you are too lazy I suggest to read about myostimulation. Real results I noticed after month an a half . I attached the special plates to the muscles, through which the current flows. As the result, the muscles are experiencing stress and force as the muscles during exercising.