Is it ok to have strawberries & blueberries with steel oatmeal in the morning

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The only way to know is to test your blood.
 

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Strawberries and blueberries are fine in very small quantities. The oats however are very high carb and for most people with T2 would cause an unacceptable rise in blood glucose. I have berries with full fat greek yoghurt occasionally.

Seeing as this is your first post I shall tag @daisy1 who will swing by and give you some really good info aimed at all those newbies who join up. Welcome to the forum.
 

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Depends a bit on your goals, assuming you are pursuing a low-carb diet.

I have blueberries and other berries (two blueberries, two raspberries, one strawberry) every morning with breakfast. I don't have oats, but I do eat a very small amount (one tablespoon) of home-made sugar-free granola with those berries, and a small quantity of milk to cover that mixture. Afterwards, I eat a couple of tablespoons of Greek yogurt. That does mean much of my carb load is at breakfast, given that I am on a very-low-carb lifestyle. But it works for me. To each his/her own LC method....
 

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I apologize. I just noticed that this is in the T2 with Insulin forum -- my knowledge is not sufficient for this.
 

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Depends a bit on your goals, assuming you are pursuing a low-carb diet.

I have blueberries and other berries (two blueberries, two raspberries, one strawberry) every morning with breakfast. I don't have oats, but I do eat a very small amount (one tablespoon) of home-made sugar-free granola with those berries, and a small quantity of milk to cover that mixture. Afterwards, I eat a couple of tablespoons of Greek yogurt. That does mean much of my carb load is at breakfast, given that I am on a very-low-carb lifestyle. But it works for me. To each his/her own LC method....
Made me hungry now...

Agree, test postmeal and find out. Small amount of berries should be okay tho, I do eat oat sometimes but some seems to not like their readings after oatmeal. Anyway good luck! ;)
 
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Made me hungry now...

I was very hungry when starting the LC diet. This went away after a few weeks. Recently though (8 to 9 months into this thing) hunger has made its return, coupled with renewed (much slower, but real) weight loss. Not sure what is going on there. BG is under great control. I am eating like a horse.

In some ways I suspect that "hunger is good." I think our prehistoric selves were probably hungry all the time!!!!

Edited to add: I suspect my heresy is that I do low-carb, low-fat. That perhaps explains this renewal of hunger, which eventually may need to be quelled with a gradual increase in dietary fat (??). We'll see.
 

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I was very hungry when starting the LC diet. This went away after a few weeks. Recently though (8 to 9 months into this thing) hunger has made its return, coupled with renewed (much slower, but real) weight loss. Not sure what is going on there. BG is under great control. I am eating like a horse.

In some ways I suspect that "hunger is good." I think our prehistoric selves were probably hungry all the time!!!!

I know what u mean. Not long ago I decided to change my diet bcoz I was feeling lightheaded all the time and SO very hungry. I figured I just needed a change coz my body wasnt happy with my previous diet. Eat more, exercise more is what I do now and oh I feel great!
 
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I know what u mean.

Another thing is if you look up the definition of "hunger" it is not really what we think it is. "Real" hunger is rare in advanced Western societies. It is characterized by violent and painful stomach cramps because the belly is empty, and of course, extreme malnutrition. It takes a long period of very bad nutrition to get to that stage.

About two months after starting LC diet I started getting violent stomach cramps and complacently told my family, "now I know what REAL hunger feels like." But it turned out to be a kidney stone!!!!
 

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Another thing is if you look up the definition of "hunger" it is not really what we think it is. "Real" hunger is rare in advanced Western societies. It is characterized by violent and painful stomach cramps because the belly is empty, and of course, extreme malnutrition. It takes a long period of very bad nutrition to get to that stage.

About two months after starting LC diet I started getting violent stomach cramps and complacently told my family, "now I know what REAL hunger feels like." But it turned out to be a kidney stone!!!!

Ouch. Hope ur okay now.
If u do low carb low fat ur not getting much energy do u? (Maybe lets get wild once and truly eat a whole horse lol.)
 

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Is it ok to have strawberries & blueberries with steel oatmeal in the morning

Yes, should be ok. Just test your sugar levels. Also what insulin are you on? Mixed or basal and bolus separate? It might be that you have to adjust your insulin dosage or adjust the carb ratio in your meal... depends what your meter says. I personally have porridge for breakfast but I don't have fruit, then again my diet isn't the norm as I have a restricted diet for other health reasons. At least give the berries a try and see how you go.
 

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I was very hungry when starting the LC diet. This went away after a few weeks. Recently though (8 to 9 months into this thing) hunger has made its return, coupled with renewed (much slower, but real) weight loss. Not sure what is going on there. BG is under great control. I am eating like a horse.

In some ways I suspect that "hunger is good." I think our prehistoric selves were probably hungry all the time!!!!

Edited to add: I suspect my heresy is that I do low-carb, low-fat. That perhaps explains this renewal of hunger, which eventually may need to be quelled with a gradual increase in dietary fat (??). We'll see.
Eat that avocado! Healthiest fat around and very satisfying as far as hunger.
 

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Eat that avocado! Healthiest fat around and very satisfying as far as hunger.

I have an entire avocado every day.... Hunger is back, even with the daily avo. Not as bad as when I first started low-carb though.
 

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I have an entire avocado every day.... Hunger is back, even with the daily avo. Not as bad as when I first started low-carb though.
The only time I get hungry is when my sugars are moving around. I can tell when I need insulin when I’m hungry

Any possible carb creep? Some foods make me hungry, like nuts for example. Especially almonds. I don’t even like them that much but if I eat one I get ravenous! Any new foods added?

Might be time for a few tastings
 

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I have an entire avocado every day.... Hunger is back, even with the daily avo. Not as bad as when I first started low-carb though.
I found for myself that I too had the feeling of hunger coming back.
I increased my fat intake just a bit. Little more olive oil on my tomatoes and one more coffee a day with cream.
Also I find that if I don't drink enough water I am more hungry.
 

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Any possible carb creep? [snip] Any new foods added?

A bit of both perhaps.

I gave up nuts altogether a few weeks ago (in an effort to stop the kidney stones!!), and this seemed to trigger both a small weight loss (1KG) and increased hunger. This is not surprising as I had been eating a lot of nuts, probably four times a day! Unlike you, I find that eating nuts cuts appetite, rather than increasing it (indeed that is why I was eating them!). I am going to replace the nuts with olives, just haven't made time to go to my favorite olive store.

I don't think there has been any carb creep except over the Thanksgiving Holiday. I was careful, but we were away and the total quantities of food consumed were way above average so carbs perforce must have increased proportionally with total food eaten. A few beers were consumed too, which is Naughty.

The only food I have added was very recent (in the past couple of days) and that is a single square of Lindt 85% chocolate per day, with my post-lunch coffee. That's about 4g carbs and hardly likely to break the bank. Plus, the hunger returned before I added this new food.

The hunger comes and goes. I wasn't hungry yesterday and am not hungry today, so maybe it's over (or maybe the over-eating during Thanksgiving has satiated me??).
 

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A bit of both perhaps.

I gave up nuts altogether a few weeks ago (in an effort to stop the kidney stones!!), and this seemed to trigger both a small weight loss (1KG) and increased hunger. This is not surprising as I had been eating a lot of nuts, probably four times a day! Unlike you, I find that eating nuts cuts appetite, rather than increasing it (indeed that is why I was eating them!). I am going to replace the nuts with olives, just haven't made time to go to my favorite olive store.

I don't think there has been any carb creep except over the Thanksgiving Holiday. I was careful, but we were away and the total quantities of food consumed were way above average so carbs perforce must have increased proportionally with total food eaten. A few beers were consumed too, which is Naughty.

The only food I have added was very recent (in the past couple of days) and that is a single square of Lindt 85% chocolate per day, with my post-lunch coffee. That's about 4g carbs and hardly likely to break the bank. Plus, the hunger returned before I added this new food.

The hunger comes and goes. I wasn't hungry yesterday and am not hungry today, so maybe it's over (or maybe the over-eating during Thanksgiving has satiated me??).
Well hopefully it goes away but eating that many nuts prior to now surely brought your fat and calories way down! Olives probably won’t cut it. Have you replaced both the fat and calories with other fatty foods? That could be the missing link.

I find almonds to make me ravenous, even just one bit pecans and Macs surely cut hunger down. I just don’t need fistfuls. I too eat a few multiple times a day. More because I like them than because I’m hungry. Haha.
 

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Have you replaced both the fat and calories with other fatty foods? That could be the missing link.

Cheese consumption, already high prior to cutting out nuts, has gone even higher. I think you are right though that I need to work on the fats. I wish I could eat nuts, but they are on most of the "kidney-stone causation" lists. It will take me a good three to six months stone-free before I even know whether the nuts are (or could have been) the stone-causation factor in my case. What I do know almost for sure is that the KS's are caused by element(s) of my low-carb diet, since I never had them in my life, until three months after starting low-carb.
 

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Cheese consumption, already high prior to cutting out nuts, has gone even higher. I think you are right though that I need to work on the fats. I wish I could eat nuts, but they are on most of the "kidney-stone causation" lists. It will take me a good three to six months stone-free before I even know whether the nuts are (or could have been) the stone-causation factor in my case. What I do know almost for sure is that the KS's are caused by element(s) of my low-carb diet, since I never had them in my life, until three months after starting low-carb.
Thinking about this, if I don’t have enough fat during the day and skimp on it, I end up eating it at night anyway. I seem to need a certain amount of fat each day
I COULD ( but don’t) go without protein and carbs for a few days, but not fat.

Cheese is a good option.

I also think the fat and fiber from the nuts potentially slows digestion and keeps bs less volatile. So without nuts you could be spiking higher. I need my avocado to keep bs low and slow with all meals. Otherwise I can’t catch the spike.

Just things to ponder...