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Mitizbel25

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New to this hope I don't do anything wrong I'm 67 years old and been controlling my diabetes since 2008 , Well beginning of this year wanted to lose some weight joined a slimming club WRONG thing to do not only did I not lose weight my sugar went sky high. Anyone else had simler thing ?
 

jack412

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it sounds like there was too much fruit and starch
the thing most of us here have found that worked, is the LCHigherfat way of eating
http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf it’s a long page and a video

For me, the more carbs we eat the more carbs we want. they don’t give up easy.
http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/lowcarbliving/a/Food-Cravings.htm http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/lowcarb101/a/firstweek.htm

http://www.lowcarbdietitian.com/blog/carbohydrate-restriction-an-option-for-diabetes-management


blood testing

http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14045524.php

http://www.homehealth-uk.com/medical/blood_glucose_monitor_testing.htm

food counting

http://www.myfitnesspal.com/


Newcastle diet aims in 8+ weeks to mimic the rate of ~70% remission, for surgery T2

“It is now clear that Type 2 diabetes is caused by abnormal fat storage. Research on how this may be reversed is available. “click that link on this page http://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/

http://www.diabetesforecast.org/2010/mar/weight-loss-surgery-and-type-2-diabetes.html


American diabetic association ( http://www.professional.diabetes.org/)

http://www.professional.diabetes.org/admin/UserFiles/0 - Sean/dc132042 FINAL.pdf

Evidence is inconclusive for an ideal amount of total fat intake for people with diabetes;

therefore, goals should be individualized; fat quality appears to be far more important than quantity.

In people with type 2 diabetes, a Mediterranean-style, MUFA-rich eating pattern may benefit

glycemic control and CVD risk factors and can therefore be recommended as an effective alternative to a lower-fat, higher-carbohydrate eating pattern.



SD codefree meter

http://www.homehealth-uk.com/medical/blood_glucose_monitor_testing.htm

if you buy extra boxes of strips there is a discount code

5 packs 264086

10 packs 975833
 
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MsVelvet

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New to this hope I don't do anything wrong I'm 67 years old and been controlling my diabetes since 2008 , Well beginning of this year wanted to lose some weight joined a slimming club WRONG thing to do not only did I not lose weight my sugar went sky high. Anyone else had simler thing ?
Hi and welcome!

Ah diet clubs always have you eating too many carbs, we diabetics are not good with carbs. I am a lchf eater, just like Jack, it is what works best for me and for many others on here. I have lost 23kg since diagnosed in September doing LCHF. I love it and feel better for it. My bs levels are pretty good too. The links Jack has given you are great.

Look forward to seeing you around.
 
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zand

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Hi welcome to the forum :) I expect @daisy1 will be along soon to give you lots of information.

I joined a Slimming Club too because I was referred by my GP, but I only went there to be weighed each week and followed a low carb diet instead. Do you have a lot of weight to lose?
 
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I have always felt dreadful on any of the standard diets (cold, hollow and miserable), but there are other people on here who find them successful.

Really, I think it depends on the persons body, lifestyle and carb tolerances.

Like everyone above, I am MUCH happier (and healthier) when I cut carbs and up my fat appropriately.

Welcome to the forum!
 
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New to this hope I don't do anything wrong I'm 67 years old and been controlling my diabetes since 2008 , Well beginning of this year wanted to lose some weight joined a slimming club WRONG thing to do not only did I not lose weight my sugar went sky high. Anyone else had simler thing ?
Sounds like you were doing really well and had your diabetes under control before you joined the slimming club . We don't know how you eat or if you have any other medical conditions or medication as this can sometimes have a bearing on things If what you were doing before the slimming club was controlling your BG levels then that is the most important thing you can do
 
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Hello and welcome! You will find lots of information, advice and support from lovely folk here who are experiencing the same things! I've tried the traditional low cal/fat many times and felt awful. Since diagnosis in July and joining the forum, I've learnt and followed lchf, in 18 weeks I reduced my hba1c from 61 to 38 and lost 3st 3lbs, never hungry or craving, feeling great and still on my journey!! Have a read around here and ask questions
 
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it sounds like there was too much fruit and starch
the thing most of us here have found that worked, is the LCHigherfat way of eating
May be so Jack but the OP did say she was controlling her diabetes before she joined the slimming club thats when it went haywire so her diet before that must have been ok
 

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May be so Jack but the OP did say she was controlling her diabetes well before she joined the slimming club thats when it went haywire so her diet before that must have been ok
Except that she needed to lose weight as well as control her diabetes. I controlled my diabetes for 2 years but still had a weight problem. Now losing weight is my priority and I'm having to do really low carb with more fat to lose it. Nothing else works. I can maintain my BG's at a much higher level of carbs, but the weight doesn't shift. I also need to remember to drink plenty of water.
 
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Except that she needed to lose weight as well as control her diabetes. I controlled my diabetes for 2 years but still had a weight problem. Now losing weight is my priority and I'm having to do really low carb with more fat to lose it. Nothing else works. I can maintain my BG's at a much higher level of carbs, but the weight doesn't shift. I also need to remember to drink plenty of water.

I think we need to know a bit more about the OP before we can give her any advice as we don't want to mess up the control she already has. Most people come on here because they want advise about lowering their BG levels this OP does not need that she just wants to loose some weight
 

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always found I could never stick to the slimming club diets...what made me lose weight...being diognosed with Diabetes i decided to cut down on everything ate a cerial for my breakfast and a light lunch then a cooked dinner at tea the weight started dropping off but the diabetes wont go away sadly...am now on Humalog injections twice daily after four years but we have to keep smiling ;)
 

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@AnnieC I don't know of anyone who have messed up their bg with lower carbs and this includes T1's, do you know anyone?
worse case seems to be they drop some meds because they're going low and are very happy
 
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Hello @Mitizbel25 and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the information, which @zand referred to, and which we give to new members. I hope you will find it useful in addition to the information members have already given you. Carry on asking questions and someone will be able to help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 100,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 

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I think we need to know a bit more about the OP before we can give her any advice as we don't want to mess up the control she already has. Most people come on here because they want advise about lowering their BG levels this OP does not need that she just wants to loose some weight

Yes Annie that is why I replied. As I said in my post I had good BG control for 2 years, before I joined the forum. I needed advice on how to lose weight and that was why I joined this forum. I didn't give her any advice, I told her about myself.

Weight control is also important to health, it's not just about good BG control. The OP has told us she has had good control since 2008 but needed to join a Slimming Club to lose weight, so her previous diet was not helping her lose weight, so she has asked us for help. I answered because that's the position I was in in April when I started my thread.

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/help-i-have-so-much-weight-to-lose.55901/

I believe the OP and I have similar problems. If I'm wrong then she can decide whether to take my advice or not. If I'm right and don't tell her then I am failing in my duty to help others.
 
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Mitizbel25

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Hi welcome to the forum :) I expect @daisy1 will be along soon to give you lots of information.

I joined a Slimming Club too because I was referred by my GP, but I only went there to be weighed each week and followed a low carb diet instead. Do you have a lot of weight to lose?[/
 

Mitizbel25

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Yes I have a lot of weight to lose ,but I can't exercise very much over the last years I've had both hips replaced both knees one foot fused and now about to have other foot fused .I have to wear braces on my legs ! In a mess really I hadn't heard of the low carb diet untill I found this site on Facebook , so glad I did cut out most of my carbs and my blood sugar has come down to 8 from 15.9 been between 8and 9 all this last week . My weigh in day is tomorrow I weigh myself now at home so I'm hoping that I have lost some weight fingers crossed thank you all you lovely people on this site for the help xxxxxx
 
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Mitizbel25

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Hi and welcome!

Ah diet clubs always have you eating too many carbs, we diabetics are not good with carbs. I am a lchf eater, just like Jack, it is what works best for me and for many others on here. I have lost 23kg since diagnosed in September doing LCHF. I love it and feel better for it. My bs levels are pretty good too. The links Jack has given you are great.

Look forward to seeing you around.
 

zand

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Well done. Keep us up to date with your progress, it's good to hear how people are getting on. Don't forget to ask any questions you want as well :)
 
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zand

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Please what is LCHF ? Xxxxx
low carb high fat.......as opposed to the low fat diets that are recommended by diet clubs:)

It works for me and many others. Butter, cream and animal fats are fine, the manufactured low fat products are not because most of them contain added sugar.
 
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