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littleweedz

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... do you ignore the advice given by the diabetic nurse, and cut back on the carbs and anything else that spikes your sugar?

My DN said I didn't need to test, but how else will I know how the foods I eat affect me?

I found a great low fat recipe book, but I'm despondent because in 6 weeks I haven't lost any weight following the DN's advice to swap foods/cut fat, just left hungry, tired and fed up.

Where to start?
 

zand

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Hi welcome to the forum :)

I think you've answered your own question! Cutting back on carbs is the answer! @daisy1 will be along soon to give you lots of info. I've got to go out now so I'm sorry I can't write a longer reply. Others will be along soon though :)
 
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At which point? Before you even see the DN ! I couldn't believe the " diet sheet" I walked out with . Low carb, don't skimp on the fat is the way to go.

As for not testing, go get yourself a meter and test, test, test till you get an idea of what you really can't tolerate and what you really can ( In my case porridge made with water rockets me into the 20's ) ...Good luck, hang around here this lot are brilliant :)
 
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daisy1

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@littleweedz

Hello and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will be able to answer.



BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 130,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
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carpy

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hi

don't mean to but in but I am new to type 2 and have been told nothing by my nurse and after months of looking on the internet I think I may know a little more than her.
Anyway I have read articles saying you can cut out carbs, some say reduce carbs its a mishmash.
I have virtually cut carbs out I may have 25-30 grams a day, I have lost weight and feel much better, but am I harming myself.

any advice would be grateful.
 
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Patricia21

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Hello welcome to the forum.
They all say that telling us not to test and if our diabetes progresses,it will end up costing them more for our medication,dosent make sence.
Stick with the forum,people on here know best.
 
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jack412

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I would test and have more fat :)

SD codefree meter
http://www.homehealth-uk.com/medical/blood_glucose_monitor_testing.htm
if you buy extra boxes of strips there is a discount code ..5 packs 264086

"Dr Eric C. Westman, MD and president elect of the American Society of Bariatric Physicians, has 15 years of experience helping patients lose weight and improve their health using low carb. He has also helped do several high-quality scientific studies on low carb."

" Don't do low carb low fat " @4.00 min

 
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hi

don't mean to but in but I am new to type 2 and have been told nothing by my nurse and after months of looking on the internet I think I may know a little more than her.
Anyway I have read articles saying you can cut out carbs, some say reduce carbs its a mishmash.
I have virtually cut carbs out I may have 25-30 grams a day, I have lost weight and feel much better, but am I harming myself.

any advice would be grateful.
With results like that the only thing that you should be harming is your nurse's self-esteem. How are your blood sugars doing?
 
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carpy

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hi

I only test now fasting and before bed, bedtime anywhere between 5.1 and 1.9
In the morning it is between 5.5 and 6.1.
I more or less know what I can eat by testing every meal, by the way the nurse said not to, however I don't know if my carb intake is to low.
But with the weight loss I feel a lot healthier than I have done.

regards
 

chri5

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Hi carpy, you say that you have lost weight and feel a lot healthier, WELL DONE! and listen to your body more than your nurse.
 
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DeejayR

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... do you ignore the advice given by the diabetic nurse, and cut back on the carbs and anything else that spikes your sugar?

My DN said I didn't need to test, but how else will I know how the foods I eat affect me?

I found a great low fat recipe book, but I'm despondent because in 6 weeks I haven't lost any weight following the DN's advice to swap foods/cut fat, just left hungry, tired and fed up.

Where to start?
Hello. Suggest you sweep the board clean and start again from here, with the excellent guidelines @daisy1 has given you. Ignore the nurse and the low-fat recipes. Welcome to the club :)
Oh, and don't worry.
 
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Phlogiston

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Mrs P finds it difficult that I am being more stringent with the carbs than the nurse said in the first meeting.
However there is 10% less of me than at Christmas.
 
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I concur, less or no carb food low in sugar works really well it has
reduced my sugar and l have lost weight too and yes do buy a tester to check what is good or bad for you.

You will be surprised what you find, apart from the obvious stuff some foods will cause spikes that you wouldn't think would be a problem. Just as an example I now eat strawberries and cream(full fat) throughout the day as a snack with reduced/ no carbs for my meals, and still loosing weight. Read the labels on the food you buy.
 

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Hi @littleweedz and @carpy welcome :)

Looks like you have both worked out what you should be doing, well done!

Have a good read around, including the items linked in my sig below, and ask any questions.
 
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