Newcastle Diet

[brettsza]

As I like being called a legend I will forgive you for making me a bloke. I am a girl. A big bossy girl but definitely a girl.
Not sure about the legend label though. I am still very overweight but less than I was. Even so BG levels still fine and recent HbA1c good but only just.

A legend missed from list is @paulins she has been very successful and even though she did ND after me has given lots of excellent advice.

Really sorry pipp apologies for the confusion there, changed my post.
Just wanted to put everyone together whose done or not done the ND. I would love to join the wagon too and preparing my body for the assault it will be going through in a few days. I need to see the DN to see what she says. I dont think if she says dont do it I will agree to it.

 

[AndBreathe]

I initially did 600 cals a day. No veg.

Seems to me that @moonchip is following guidelines ok, though maybe 240 grams veg per day,could be the right amount. Also not sure about the avocado.

What is it that you are querying @AndBreathe? (The pencils are being sharpened so be prepared to stay in at playtime).

Sorry Pipp and @moonchip, I somehow read you were only having the veg at each meal. Your post was clear, I must just have had one of those special brain fades.

Pass the spec cleaner spray, please!!

 

[moonchip]

Sorry Pipp and @moonchip, I somehow read you were only having the veg at each meal. Your post was clear, I must just have had one of those special brain fades.

Pass the spec cleaner spray, please!!

Not a problem, don't worry about it

 

[Pipp]

Really sorry pipp apologies for the confusion there, changed my post.
Just wanted to put everyone together whose done or not done the ND. I would love to join the wagon too and preparing my body for the assault it will be going through in a few days. I need to see the DN to see what she says. I dont think if she says dont do it I will agree to it.

You are forgiven @brettsza , especially as it is your birthday.
Have a good one.

Make sure you take the info from the Newcastle study to the nurse, and be prepared to present good argument for your reasons for wanting to follow the plan. They can be a bit resistant to say the leadt.

 

[brettsza]

Thanks a lot @Pipp
What should I printout, I thought they would know what all this ND is considering they are the specialists isn't it.
I have read about it from the Newcastle uni website, should I just take all that info as I find it quite little for some reason

 

[Pipp]

I would take the info from the website (sorry, I am lousy at putting links on here)

www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/reversal.htm.

Be prepared to leave it with doc for them to consider it at leisure, as they usually don't have time in a consultation appointment.

Good luck.

 

[jack412]

I would take the info from the website (sorry, I am lousy at putting links on here)

www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/reversal.htm.

Be prepared to leave it with doc for them to consider it at leisure, as they usually don't have time in a consultation appointment.

Good luck.

do you left click highlight and right click copy and then right click paste where you want it?

 

[moonchip]

do you left click highlight and right click copy and then right click paste where you want it?

Pretty much everything from magres (all the blue links) will open as PDF's.

I printed everything out for my Doctor last week and it came to about a 14 sheets, if I remember correctly - including an excellent 2-page "Questions for Doctors" document from Prof Taylor

I also sent a cover letter to my Doctor, thus :
===========================================================

Dear xxxxx

May I respectfully request that you read / peruse the enclosed notes which I have printed for you.

They are from Professor Roy Taylor, Newcastle University and outline a research program recently conducted & ongoing, funded by Diabetes UK to circa ~£5million and conducted through Newcastle NHS Hospitals which you may not be aware of.

I emailed him yesterday and received a reply from his research assistant today. It outlines how the ‘Newcastle Diet’ can reverse or put into remission Type 2 diabetes.

Now, if it was some ‘snake oil / miracle’ website from the ‘States I wouldn’t even be looking at it, but this is well backed, well funded UK research with outstanding, medically-confirmed results.

Having checked my BMI against my weight & height I’m currently showing 30.5 which makes me clinically obese. Ideally my weight should be in the 85 kg range.

I am fully aware that as well as an increased lower mortality rate, T2 diabetes has complications including amputation & loss of vision. To be perfectly honest xxxxx, this scares me silly and I will do anything to help my situation & condition.

As such, and after reading the enclosed I would like to try this diet with your support & permission.

It’s for 8 weeks – that’s basically since Christmas to now. If I can achieve similar or even partially similar results in that timeframe then my view is that it has to be worth a try and I hope that you concur and will support this decision.

At the very least it will get my weight down and next time someone asks you about the same topic you’ll have first hand experience of its outcome, if any.

Sincerely and with kindest regards,
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I got a phone call from my Doc saying that he read it with great interest and, providing I can find a suitable MRP shake to match that used in the original diet, he fully supports me doing the Newcastle Diet

You just need to give your Doctor a compelling reason to support you in doing it

Hope this helps

 

[brettsza]

Wow my gp does not see a patient for more than 50 seconds. What chance do I stand.

 

[moonchip]

Wow my gp does not see a patient for more than 50 seconds. What chance do I stand.

All I can suggest is that you put forward a 'professional' looking case

When I spoke with my Doc when he phoned, he said that he was that interested in it, he took it home to re-read it again

 

[brettsza]

But what if he just says sorry I don't suggest you do it and neither do I have time to read through it, if he says no should I then take my case to DN or should they both say yes and then only I should or can do this as I really wanted to start on this after doctors appointment which is on friday.

 

[moonchip]

Wow my gp does not see a patient for more than 50 seconds. What chance do I stand.

Also, remember that you're only asking your Doctor for his/her support to try it

Ultimately, unless he/she lives with you and force feeds you, its down to you what you eat

As per my original post, I'm trying ND now with the support of my Doctor but the DN still only recommends the 'official NHS diabetes diet'

I knew I'd written a good compelling letter with enough 'get out' for him if it failed hence there was every expectation that he would support me

But ultimately, its your choice - you're 33 so you're an adult and every so often there comes a time where you have to have self-belief, commit and make the decision for yourself

 

[Pipp]

do you left click highlight and right click copy and then right click paste where you want it?

Using a tablet not a PC

 

[Pipp]

Also, remember that you're only asking your Doctor for his/her support to try it

Ultimately, unless he/she lives with you and force feeds you, its down to you what you eat

As per my original post, I'm trying ND now with the support of my Doctor but the DN still only recommends the 'official NHS diabetes diet'

I knew I'd written a good compelling letter with enough 'get out' for him if it failed hence there was every expectation that he would support me

But ultimately, its your choice - you're 33 so you're an adult and every so often there comes a time where you have to have self-belief, commit and make the decision for yourself

It depends though on whether you have other health conditions.
I would always recommend getting GP on board.

 

[moonchip]

It depends though on whether you have other health conditions.
I would always recommend getting GP on board.

You're right, of course Pipp .......... wrist duly slapped

 

[AndBreathe]

Brettza - the relationship you have with your GP clearly isn't great, but in all things negotiation, you can usually at least influence the outcome. I would make a couple of suggestions.

You know you can only talk about one thing, so that thing is the ND. If he wants to meander off, then remind him why you are there and even say you are keen to stick by his rules for the appointment.

Secondly, assuming you have no other health conditions you may need to have taken into account, I would not be going in asking if it's OKAY to do the ND. I would be going in to inform him of my intent and to ask what support he can afford me over the duration. Beforehand, I would have thought through what he could offer me, and what I would find to be any sort of acceptable compromise. Examples might be starting and finishing HbA1cs, or fortnightly chat and weigh in (if that appealed to you). Your compromise might be for an HbA1c at the end, and a decent ignoring for the duration of the diet.

Frankly, the easy response, if you ask for permission, is for your Doc to not recommend it, as it isn't aligned to current NHS guidelines (and he may feel out of his depth recommending someone he has never heard of), so make that a situation he is going to have to think through, rather than a knee-jerk "Computer says "No"" response.

You must also think through some of the challenges he might put forward and how you might counter them. You should consider a list of circumstances under which you would agree to contact the surgery immediately, should you encounter them on the diet - like feeling unwell, or unable to function in your normal daily routine, or suffering hypos. Of course the answer in those circumstances could be to desist or rest from the ND for a period, but I think you have to demonstrate you have thought this through in some detail and have looked at the risks as well as the rewards.

And, finally, as I understand you live in London, it seems likely there are other Gp practises around you could consider moving to? Much as none of us probably want to be best buddies with our Doctors, it is important we respect them, or whatever diagnosis or challenge they make to us we will (even subliminally) resist.

What I learned loudly and clearly at diagnosis is that my GP hasn't a clue about diabetes. The GP in the practise with an "interest" in diabetes, and oversees the clinics isn't too much more on the ball, as far as we would be concerned. And the GP I now seem to deal with has told be I know more about diabetes and lipids than she does. They're GPs, floundering in the swamp of chronic conditions and over work. That's not saying any of that is acceptabl, but it is the reality we all have to live with.

For me? Waaaaaay back, I have a medic/scientific background, which undoubtedly makes understanding some of the more complex issues easier for me than for many, but I have made it my business to invest in myself by going on a massive learning curve so that I am empowered to understand where I am and what the potentials are for me and my condition.

Have a good hard think about this and prepare your strategy. Practise what you are going to say when you're there. And I do mean practise, either into a voice recorder or in front of your partner, or whatever. If it's important enough to be getting upset over, it's important enough to prepare for - like you would if you were going for a job interview, or asking for a rise.

This guy is your advisor, not your father.

 

[moonchip]

Brettza - the relationship you have with your GP clearly isn't great, but in all things negotiation, you can usually at least influence the outcome. I would make a couple of suggestions.

You know you can only talk about one thing, so that thing is the ND. If he wants to meander off, then remind him why you are there and even say you are keen to stick by his rules for the appointment.

Secondly, assuming you have no other health conditions you may need to have taken into account, I would not be going in asking if it's OKAY to do the ND. I would be going in to inform him of my intent and to ask what support he can afford me over the duration. Beforehand, I would have thought through what he could offer me, and what I would find to be any sort of acceptable compromise. Examples might be starting and finishing HbA1cs, or fortnightly chat and weigh in (if that appealed to you). Your compromise might be for an HbA1c at the end, and a decent ignoring for the duration of the diet.

Frankly, the easy response, if you ask for permission, is for your Doc to not recommend it, as it isn't aligned to current NHS guidelines (and he may feel out of his depth recommending someone he has never heard of), so make that a situation he is going to have to think through, rather than a knee-jerk "Computer says "No"" response.

You must also think through some of the challenges he might put forward and how you might counter them. You should consider a list of circumstances under which you would agree to contact the surgery immediately, should you encounter them on the diet - like feeling unwell, or unable to function in your normal daily routine, or suffering hypos. Of course the answer in those circumstances could be to desist or rest from the ND for a period, but I think you have to demonstrate you have thought this through in some detail and have looked at the risks as well as the rewards.

And, finally, as I understand you live in London, it seems likely there are other Gp practises around you could consider moving to? Much as none of us probably want to be best buddies with our Doctors, it is important we respect them, or whatever diagnosis or challenge they make to us we will (even subliminally) resist.

What I learned loudly and clearly at diagnosis is that my GP hasn't a clue about diabetes. The GP in the practise with an "interest" in diabetes, and oversees the clinics isn't too much more on the ball, as far as we would be concerned. And the GP I now seem to deal with has told be I know more about diabetes and lipids than she does. They're GPs, floundering in the swamp of chronic conditions and over work. That's not saying any of that is acceptabl, but it is the reality we all have to live with.

For me? Waaaaaay back, I have a medic/scientific background, which undoubtedly makes understanding some of the more complex issues easier for me than for many, but I have made it my business to invest in myself by going on a massive learning curve so that I am empowered to understand where I am and what the potentials are for me and my condition.

Have a good hard think about this and prepare your strategy. Practise what you are going to say when you're there. And I do mean practise, either into a voice recorder or in front of your partner, or whatever. If it's important enough to be getting upset over, it's important enough to prepare for - like you would if you were going for a job interview, or asking for a rise.

This guy is your advisor, not your father.

A truely excellent reply, AndBreathe with a perfect ending summary !!

Brettsza, the clue is in your Doctors title - GP - GENERAL practitioner. He /she has a general understanding of everything from your toe to your scalp & everything inbetween

 

[Pipp]

I went to my GP armed with all the Newcastle academic papers, and a bullet pointed list of the reasons I intended to do this. I asked that he took the papers away, read them, and make an informed decision on the support he could give. Important because I have other health conditions and have been disabled for many years. I agreed to leave him a week then make another appointment to discuss. The GP does not usually know what you are coming through the door with, and it is not reasonable for them to be expected to make an on the spot decision in a 5 minute appointment.

I think the doc appreciated that I had done my homework, and wanted to take responsibility for my own health, with his support. The doc and nurse, now suggest the ND to newly diagnosed T2s having been impressed with my results.

 

[brettsza]

@AndBreathe thanks a lot for your answer. I have looked into changing the gp but the other one closest to me or even the one that are a bit far have a reading worse than this one so I am like in a situation where he's the best amongst the rest and believe me he wants patients in and out in no time. All the reviews I read for my surgery are same as what I think no appointments, too little time given, rude receptionists, receptionist asking what's the urgency to get an urgent appointment, I don't think the receptionist needs to know, but hey if I need an urgent appointment I will have to tell her no other option.
Any other medical conditions, no is the answer at the moment. I am really hoping to get out of this too but as it wasn't in my hand to get diagnosed with it, it's not in my hand to get out of it. Thats life so I have taken it and moving on. But ND is one thing that a lot of members here are doing I don't really know if all went through there gp's or not but I am hoping they did. But having said that my GP dint know the full form of LADA so I am sure he/she knows nothing about ND, this is going to be over and above there head, but what you say is correct too that it would be good to have him on board and prepare for it like an interview although I am sure it's going to be a few second interview and nothing much. I see him friday and we will see what happens. I really want an a1c before as well and then after but if he's not going to do it I will order a kit. My old gp was much better but he's now far away in north london else I would have just registered myself back over there.
@moonchip you are right I can take my own decisions but problem is that this is a big decision to go on this diet, I am only 33 today so I really want to try and give it a shot as if it works long term benefits are huge but I will take it one step at a time and first see what the gp says on friday. I will report back but I am so sure he will say take another appointment. Met is not suiting me so I need to get that changed first and then if he does talk I will put ND in front of him.

 

[moonchip]

@AndBreathe thanks a lot for your answer. I have looked into changing the gp but the other one closest to me or even the one that are a bit far have a reading worse than this one so I am like in a situation where he's the best amongst the rest and believe me he wants patients in and out in no time. All the reviews I read for my surgery are same as what I think no appointments, too little time given, rude receptionists, receptionist asking what's the urgency to get an urgent appointment, I don't think the receptionist needs to know, but hey if I need an urgent appointment I will have to tell her no other option.
Any other medical conditions, no is the answer at the moment. I am really hoping to get out of this too but as it wasn't in my hand to get diagnosed with it, it's not in my hand to get out of it. Thats life so I have taken it and moving on. But ND is one thing that a lot of members here are doing I don't really know if all went through there gp's or not but I am hoping they did. But having said that my GP dint know the full form of LADA so I am sure he/she knows nothing about ND, this is going to be over and above there head, but what you say is correct too that it would be good to have him on board and prepare for it like an interview although I am sure it's going to be a few second interview and nothing much. I see him friday and we will see what happens. I really want an a1c before as well and then after but if he's not going to do it I will order a kit. My old gp was much better but he's now far away in north london else I would have just registered myself back over there.
@moonchip you are right I can take my own decisions but problem is that this is a big decision to go on this diet, I am only 33 today so I really want to try and give it a shot as if it works long term benefits are huge but I will take it one step at a time and first see what the gp says on friday. I will report back but I am so sure he will say take another appointment. Met is not suiting me so I need to get that changed first and then if he does talk I will put ND in front of him.

Happy Bithday !!!