Helping Dad

Fgreen90

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Last week my dad was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes. A bit out of the blue, and totally new to our family so I'm rather ashamed to say that I don't know very much about it.

I've been doing a lot of reading - the wonders of the internet - however there is a LOT out there. Shamefully I have to admit that I had always thought it was a "too much sugar" situation and apologize to everyone for my naivety.

My reading has told me that it is all about carbohdrate control as the body has an inability to process carbohydrates as the cells don't respond to insulin as they should and rather than avoid sugar, its limiting carbohydrates (especially those high in sugar). Is this right?

There are many questions going round my head - how much sugar is he allowed each day, what happens if he has too much, what foods can he eat and what foods can he not and I really have no idea where to start. I've found myself looking at food labels without really knowing what I'm looking for!

If anyone out there has any information, tips or anything at all that you could share with me it would be very much appreciated. Although I do not live with my Dad I do want to understand and support him in the changes that he will have to make.

Thank you :)
 
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fred1234

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I am sure someone with more experience than me will come along with the most useful information on type2 diabetes. The most popular advice is cutting back on carbs.eating plenty cheese cream berries full fat milk etc. I am still learning after being diagnosed 2 years ago...it does get easier.....you have come to the right place for the most helpful accurate advise. Great site. Your dad's lucky to have support as it can shell shock you when your told. Welcome on board
 
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You have done the right thing by reading all about the disease and realising it is all carbs, not just sugar, that are the culprits. This forum will help enormously. The main culprits are the starchy ones - bread, potatoes, rice, pasta, cereals. We also need to be careful with fruit and milk. It's a bit daunting (a lot daunting) to realise that our favourite foods have contributed to our disease, and that these need to be drastically reduced, either by avoiding or cutting right down on portion sizes.

As for food labels, you need to look for the Total carb content. You can more or less ignore the "of which sugars". All labels have to show, by law, the amount of each nutrient per 100g. Anything with a total carb content of above 10% should be treated with caution and hopefully avoided (unless that food is only eaten by the teaspoonful such as a condiment). If eating the whole tin or packet, under 5% is ideal. Some product labels are really useful when they also state the carbs per item. You also need to watch out for any low fat products as they often contain added sugar. It is best to stick to the full fat versions.

Ask as many questions as you like.

I'll tag @daisy1 who will arrive with a very good guide for newly diagnosed. Have a good read of it, particularly the role of carbs.

Well done also on supporting your dad! :)
 
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Welcome and it's great you're looking out for your dad. Apart from the excellent advice above I'd add that if you can get your dad on the forum as well he'll be able to make his own informed choices.
 
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@Fgreen90

Hello and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the information we give to new members and I hope this will help you to help your Dad as much as possible. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
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It's so nice that your Dad has at least one person around him who won't say unhelpful things to him about diabetes :) Hopefully you can gently educate the whole family so he is surrounded by people who understand and let him make his own choices without pressure or comment, and who don't push unhealthy food onto him. Well done.
 
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Sirmione

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The hardest thing about a low cab diet it requires turning all the thinking that has been pushed at the public for 40 years as "healthy eating" upside down. If your dad goes low carb and gets that message a low carb eating style is surprisingly easy.
Low carbing isn't a diet but a life style, for most people thinking of it as a diet reduces the chance of success.

Some on the forum count every gram of Carbohydrate in order to met a target but for me and lot of others the simpler more effective root is simply try to avoid Carbohydrate where possible and save the carbs for treats.
 
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Fgreen90

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Thank you all so much for your messages. :) As a family we are a bit of a biscuit lover so my sister and I are giving up with him.....im sure there are some he can eat but for now we are on a biscuit break!!

How do you know if your blood sugars are ok? Do you test it?

Dad lives in a tiny village and his dr is in a neighbouring town - he has been started on tablets but doest meet with the nurse for another 2 weeks. Hes a bit scared about wat he can and cant eat - what are your meal times like?

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Sirmione

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Cutting out not only biscuits, but any kind of bread, grain/cereal based food (including Rice, pasta and coucous) is a step forward. The other untouchables are root vegetables and tropical fruit.
Now the good news.
Bacon, egg, steak, chicken, fish, cheese, cream, berries and vegetables that grow above ground are fine.
 

Leswhitto

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You have done the right thing by reading all about the disease and realising it is all carbs, not just sugar, that are the culprits. This forum will help enormously. The main culprits are the starchy ones - bread, potatoes, rice, pasta, cereals. We also need to be careful with fruit and milk. It's a bit daunting (a lot daunting) to realise that our favourite foods have contributed to our disease, and that these need to be drastically reduced, either by avoiding or cutting right down on portion sizes.

As for food labels, you need to look for the Total carb content. You can more or less ignore the "of which sugars". All labels have to show, by law, the amount of each nutrient per 100g. Anything with a total carb content of above 10% should be treated with caution and hopefully avoided (unless that food is only eaten by the teaspoonful such as a condiment). If eating the whole tin or packet, under 5% is ideal. Some product labels are really useful when they also state the carbs per item. You also need to watch out for any low fat products as they often contain added sugar. It is best to stick to the full fat versions.

Ask as many questions as you like.

I'll tag @daisy1 who will arrive with a very good guide for newly diagnosed. Have a good read of it, particularly the role of carbs.

Well done also on supporting your dad! :)
Well I've been Type 2 since 2003 (a long time) and you have u taught me something by reading your support. I've never really understood it I didn't realise to check for the carb level to be under 10%. Thank you
 
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bobandpat

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Bacon, egg, steak, chicken, fish, cheese, cream, berries and vegetables that grow above ground are fine.

Surely peas, broad beans and corn are high carb and all grow 'above ground' or are they not considered as veg?. :confused:
 

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Surely peas, broad beans and corn are high carb and all grow 'above ground' or are they not considered as veg?. :confused:
Some people can eat them, some can't. I eat a few peas occasionally, a few broad beans more frequently lately since I grew the **** things (!) and no sweet corn at all.
 

Sirmione

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Sweet Corn is included at the start banned list as cereal grain.

But for most of us the Legumes ie beans, peas, chickpeas and lentils are 9 to 12% carb are border line but they are generally only in served small sized portions and a fair percentage of the carb content is fibre which the body can't breakdown is advantageous for other reasons. However the portion size of a chickpea dahl or thick lentil soup would need careful consideration.

Of course tinned baked beans in sauce are out because of the sugars in the sauce.
 
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bobandpat

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Some people can eat them, some can't.

a fair percentage of the carb content is fibre which the body can't breakdown

Unfortunately I've only got to look at them for my BS to rocket. You'd think that after 40+ years I'd not be bothered by not being able to eat them but I still miss them. I'll occasionaly put a teaspoonfull of one on my plate but that's all. :( :grumpy: