Tips for project regarding type 1 diabetes

[tim2000s]

It would be interesting for a study of how some adults with T1 are lowering the carbs and yet children (parents) are still being told to have large amount of carbs.....

It's an interesting one this, and you probably need to look not a lot further than body building.

When undergoing a strength phase in body building, the quickest way to build muscle is with protein and carbs, not protein and fat.

If you look at most of the diets that are prescribed when people undertake personal training, they are usually a short period of fat burning (2-4 weeks) which is very similar to the cutting diet that body builders use pre-competition, cutting out carbs in general, and then move onto a diet that contains carbs in a low GI form to induce a measured insulin reaction (i.e. sweet potato, brown rice*, etc) to undertake a muscle building phase. These two processes are then cycled. The key is managing hormone production (both Insulin and Human Growth Hormone).

In children, where growth is critically important, carbs are still considered to be an important part of that equation.

*I know that GI of Brown Rice is almost exactly the same as white rice but, well, you know...

 

[donnellysdogs]

It's an interesting one this, and you probably need to look not a lot further than body building.

When undergoing a strength phase in body building, the quickest way to build muscle is with protein and carbs, not protein and fat.

If you look at most of the diets that are prescribed when people undertake personal training, they are usually a short period of fat burning (2-4 weeks) which is very similar to the cutting diet that body builders use pre-competition, cutting out carbs in general, and then move onto a diet that contains carbs in a low GI form to induce a measured insulin reaction (i.e. sweet potato, brown rice*, etc) to undertake a muscle building phase. These two processes are then cycled. The key is managing hormone production (both Insulin and Human Growth Hormone).

In children, where growth is critically important, carbs are still considered to be an important part of that equation.

*I know that GI of Brown Rice is almost exactly the same as white rice but, well, you know...

Yep, recognise carbs are part of childrens .. Its just what the carbs consist of ..... If they are from tins of coke and the chocolate from shops on way home from school or to school as quick fixes etc.... Boy it makes things difficult...

Saying to a parent that 240g and can eat anything as long as bolus given can make things difficult to manage.

 

[tim2000s]

Yep, recognise carbs are part of childrens .. Its just what the carbs consist of ..... If they are from tins of coke and the chocolate from shops on way home from school or to school as quick fixes etc.... Boy it makes things difficult...

Saying to a parent that 240g and can eat anything as long as bolus given can make things difficult to manage.

Completely agree.

 

[phoenix]

If you are going to look at nutrition then; here are the international guidelines for children and adolescents. http://c.ymcdn.com/sites/www.ispad.org/resource/resmgr/Docs/CPCG_2014_CHAP_10.pdf
They are fairly recent
Personally, I think a n=1 experiment on yourself is a bad idea, one subject who is hardly objective is not really valid. Moreover, if I were your teacher I would not sanction it for ethical reasons. (interference with medical advice/therapy)
Do you have to do an experiment? I'm not sure from your introduction. If not then your initial suggestion of autoimmunity could be very wide ranging and lead in several directions including into genetics and gene therapy. It's a field that is very new and very exciting (well I think so)
If you have to do an experiment then you are more limited. One off experiments on the effect of a measured amount of exercise on the blood glucose of diabetics and non diabetics is feasible and has been done before in a school setting.http://diabeteshandsfoundation.org/kates-little-big-test/ ( because of the blood though it might be considered hazardous and certainly precautions would be needed ; you can't just use your normal finger pricker) You could try repeating the test after an intake of low gi (or indeed hi GI) carbs. The background to this sort of project would involve describing the problem as it effects T1. (some biochemistry here in the role of GLUT4 ) http://www.runsweet.com/DiabetesAndSport.html http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/45/2/e1.1.abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1756173/pdf/v033p00161.pdf

Otherwise there are some more suggestions here It might spark some ideashttp://www.sciencebuddies.org/science-fair-projects/search.shtml?v=pi&s=diabetes&p=1 (the project on sucrose and fructose is at a fairly advanced level, you could adapt that to show levels of glucose in meals with differing compositions.) You could also research the different ways glucose and fructose are metabolised .

 

[Spiker]

When new or out-of-control Type 1s come on this board, they are invariably mobbed by people advocating LCHF, when there is no research showing any advantage for Type 1s.

That's unfair. There is a lot of awareness on this board that LCHF is much more challenging for T1s. Also unfair because there is very little research at all on LCHF, so it's unsurprising that there is even less regarding diabetics and even less regarding T1s. LCHF is not a profit source for anyone, hence very little research.

But high fat diets cause insulin resistance, and are much more difficult to manage in social life.

Any diet that differs from the norm is a challenge to social eating. Insulin resistance is not a problem when carbs are low and fat intake is stable.

They are also worse for muscle-building, and recovery after strenuous sports or exercise.

What's your reference for this claim Ruth? Apart from bodybuilders maybe? Phinney and Volek have extensive proof of the opposite.

Given that Type 1s are mostly young, I think LCHF is a really bad idea for Type 1s.

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[tim2000s]

I'd have said that Type 1s are mostly adult even though many were diagnosed at a younger age...

The stats from DUK would bear that out.

Roughly 33,600 U19s out of 310,000 T1s in the UK.

 

[bumblebee95]

The comorbidity sounds interesting, perhaps if you combined it with the whole autoimmunity thing

 

[52O342UOIF]

To be honest you may not make an ideal or representative test subject if you still have significant, but perhaps fairly random, insulin production. Or you can say your study is on a honeymooning T1 and may not generalise well to other T1s.

Don't forget fat. Like I said above, don't assume anything won't have an effect and skip logging it. Fat will have quite a big effect on your BG graphs - you may be surprised.
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Yeah, I thought about that as well. The thing is my beta cells can't handle anything more than fasting. My C-peptid when I was diagnosed was just under the normal range. Right it's probably even less as I've had to adjust my insulin to carb ratio.

Record everything, got it:

 

[52O342UOIF]

If you are going to look at nutrition then; here are the international guidelines for children and adolescents. http://c.ymcdn.com/sites/www.ispad.org/resource/resmgr/Docs/CPCG_2014_CHAP_10.pdf
They are fairly recent
Personally, I think a n=1 experiment on yourself is a bad idea, one subject who is hardly objective is not really valid. Moreover, if I were your teacher I would not sanction it for ethical reasons. (interference with medical advice/therapy)
Do you have to do an experiment? I'm not sure from your introduction. If not then your initial suggestion of autoimmunity could be very wide ranging and lead in several directions including into genetics and gene therapy. It's a field that is very new and very exciting (well I think so)
If you have to do an experiment then you are more limited. One off experiments on the effect of a measured amount of exercise on the blood glucose of diabetics and non diabetics is feasible and has been done before in a school setting.http://diabeteshandsfoundation.org/kates-little-big-test/ ( because of the blood though it might be considered hazardous and certainly precautions would be needed ; you can't just use your normal finger pricker) You could try repeating the test after an intake of low gi (or indeed hi GI) carbs. The background to this sort of project would involve describing the problem as it effects T1. (some biochemistry here in the role of GLUT4 ) http://www.runsweet.com/DiabetesAndSport.html http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/45/2/e1.1.abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1756173/pdf/v033p00161.pdf

Otherwise there are some more suggestions here It might spark some ideashttp://www.sciencebuddies.org/science-fair-projects/search.shtml?v=pi&s=diabetes&p=1 (the project on sucrose and fructose is at a fairly advanced level, you could adapt that to show levels of glucose in meals with differing compositions.) You could also research the different ways glucose and fructose are metabolised .

Really great links, thanks! I'll take and go through them. I'm gonna see about the experiment, we're not required to do one. I would be fun however to do something more than just a literature study.