how high is too high?

Puddle

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Hello everyone,
I have been trawling the web for a few hours now and thought that this may be the best place for me to have my mind put at rest.
My husband has T2 diabetes and has been on meds for a few years now, but lately he his symptoms have come back.
After a visit to the docs where he saw the nurse, he was given a new tester kit and sent home with a reading of 18.0
Since then his levels have been rising all day and he has now hit 25.0
I am worried and want to cal a doctor but he is telling me hes fine. He doesn't seem to be having any other adverse symptoms but I don't know if this is normal or not.
Please help and put my mind at rest or I will be laying awake all night keeping an eye on him.
Thanks in advance
Puddle
 

ButtterflyLady

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Hello everyone,
I have been trawling the web for a few hours now and thought that this may be the best place for me to have my mind put at rest.
My husband has T2 diabetes and has been on meds for a few years now, but lately he his symptoms have come back.
After a visit to the docs where he saw the nurse, he was given a new tester kit and sent home with a reading of 18.0
Since then his levels have been rising all day and he has now hit 25.0
I am worried and want to cal a doctor but he is telling me hes fine. He doesn't seem to be having any other adverse symptoms but I don't know if this is normal or not.
Please help and put my mind at rest or I will be laying awake all night keeping an eye on him.
Thanks in advance
Puddle
Hi Puddle and welcome.

What medications and dosages is he on? If he continues to feel fine but goes a bit higher overnight I don't think he will be in any immediate danger, but tomorrow he needs to do some reading about diabetes and make some changes. Is there any chance you could encourage him to join this forum? We may be able to give him information that will help.

Usually the best way to get high blood glucose (BG) levels down is to reduce the carbs in your diet. Meds can help but the main issue is carbs I'm afraid. @daisy1 has some information about this that she posts for people new to the forum.

If a T2 suddenly develops really high BGs, they might be coming down with an infection, or it's possible they have another type of diabetes (there are several) so we would need more information about his BG levels and body size etc to be able to comment on that. If this is what is happening for him, then he needs to see his nurse or doctor and possibly be referred to a specialist team. But if the increase has happened slowly, then he may still have T2, and diet and meds will continue to be the right approach.

If he had symptoms like those described at the link below then I would be saying he should call the NHS non emergency helpline on 111 for advice or going to A&E. This condition can occur when the BGs are over 30. If his BG reaches 33 the meter will just say HI. I don't want to worry you unnecessarily but I thought I should let you know about the condition as there is a chance he could be developing it if he has symptoms and if his BG goes high enough:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes-complications/hyperosmolar-hyperglycemic-nonketotic-syndrome.html

Please try not to worry for tonight as he is probably ok, but it's good that you found the forum because tomorrow you might be able to give him information that will help him get his diabetes under control.
 

daisy1

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@Puddle

Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it will help you to help your husband to get his levels more under control. Ask more questions and someone will help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
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Daibell

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Hi. Occasional spikes into the 20s can happen and in themselves aren't a big problem but staying in the 20s most of the time is asking for trouble. As you may know the risk is having ketones with high blood sugar and developing the dangerous DKA. He may want to buy some ketostix to test. Is your husband overweight? Is he on a low-carb diet? What is his medication? Let us know and we may be able to make some suggestions.
 
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Puddle

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Hi there,
sorry my internet died last night so I couldn't get on to read any of this until now.
Some great reading and lots for me to look into.
Hubby is a bit rough this morning but has dropped down to 14.5 so I feel a little better now.
Hes now got more blood tests this week and after speaking to the docs again he is monitoring over the next few days.

I suspect that over the last few months things have been left to slide and diet has not been as good as it should have been, Hence things taking a down turn. We both have health problems that is affected by diet and we should know better, time to take control again.
Thanks for the advice, I will read everything and find out as much as I can to help him, not sure he would join but he would happily be a member via me lol, Men!
Best wishes
Puddle
 
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Spicey245

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Hi Puddle, I would say it would definitely be worth getting a blood testing monitor that tested ketones (have a word with your GP or diabetic clinic and they will usually have one they can give you for free). I find if I run any higher than 14.0 I start to get small amounts of ketones and if I get into the 20's I feel quite unwell.

I have a book called Carbs & Cals and it's a great book with pictures of food (and differing amounts) which shows you how much carbohydrate/fat/protein etc are in different foods. A low GI diet is the best for anyone, especially diabetics so look into lower GI foods (brown bread/pasta/rice and quinoa are very good).

Good luck with your husband. My friend (also a man) was 13.0 the other night when I tested him after a meal (he's very overweight and has a terrible diet of junk food and coke-cola - think he's addicted to it!) and I told him to go to the doctors as I was sure he was a Type 2 but he won't listen to me. :(