Type 2 Help needed

ruthy

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Hi, I have been T2 for 5 years and asked my diabetic nurse about LCHF diet today and was advised against it as all diabetics need to eat carbs, my HbA1c is higher than it should be and I thought this may help
I am not on Insulin but take metformin and gliclizide
I dont know what to do for the best and would appreciate any advice
 

ewelina

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If you read the forum you will find out that many diabetics (with great success) follow low/moderate carb diet. Many health care professionals are still against it, but its changing. I would recommend watching this programme. Really good

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b06q6y95/doctor-in-the-house-episode-1

You need to decided for yourself. What is better? Damage that long term high levels will cause or diet, which is still quite controversial, but works for diabetics
 
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Daibell

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I'm afraid your DN is simply wrong. Diabetics don't 'need' carbs and in fact no one needs carbs but the fibre they may contain is needed. Diabetics by definition are glucose intolerant so why make things worse? Read the forum and you will find that the greater majority of posters follow low-carb not high-carb. The NHS has been working on out-of-date and in many ways dangerous diabetic diet advice. It's up to your to decide, but all I can say is that nearly all the posters on this forum actually have diabetes and know what is good and bad.
 
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Hiitsme

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Hi @ruthy and welcome to the forum.
I will tag @daisy1 who will post helpful advice for newcomers to the forum. As stated above we diabetics do need to lower our carbs as they affect our blood sugar. Look at the low-carb forums for some advice. Do ask questions and people will try and help.
 
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seadragon

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Just be aware that if you take gliclizide and go low carb you can risk a minor hypo if you are taking in less carbs than you previously were. Might be worth reducing your gliclizide (probably should mention to your doc what your plans are). You don't need carbs at all but reducing them without reducing the gliclizide meds can be a problem.
 
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daisy1

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@ruthy

Hello Ruthy and welcome to the forum :) Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask more questions and someone will be able to help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

LOW CARB PROGRAM:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/low carb program


Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 

dbr10

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Hi, I have been T2 for 5 years and asked my diabetic nurse about LCHF diet today and was advised against it as all diabetics need to eat carbs

Mine suggested low fat yoghurts full of sugar were a good choice for diabetics. You could not make it up.
 

dbr10

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I'm afraid your DN is simply wrong. Diabetics don't 'need' carbs and in fact no one needs carbs but the fibre they may contain is needed. Diabetics by definition are glucose intolerant so why make things worse? Read the forum and you will find that the greater majority of posters follow low-carb not high-carb. The NHS has been working on out-of-date and in many ways dangerous diabetic diet advice.

They have been killing diabetics for years with this advice
 

4ratbags

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Stick with us and you will be fine, have a good read through daisys post above as it contains some great info. I think the proffessionals mean well but unfortunately most dont have a clue.