Advice needed

petrak

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Hi everyone, I'm Petra, 36, from NY. Great to be a part of this wonderful community. I've learned a lot on this forum. I had been feeling pretty ****** for the last 3 months, getting dizzy and weak, tired, hot flashes, etc. I also lost some weight but attributed it to being too busy with work. I'm a bit underweight at 5'7" and 116lbs. Taking thyroid medication which also causes weight loss. I was diagnosed with Hashimoto's 8 years ago and at that time I was experiencing the same symptoms but my blood sugar was always normal.
I had bloodwork done a couple of weeks ago and my thyroid was normal but my fasting glucose came up 135mg/dL! I should mention I nearly passed out when they first started taking my blood, I had a reaction to the needle. My A1c was normal 5.2. When I went for the results, my doctor checked it at the office and it was 105 after a meal which is normal. She told me to go back in 3 months to recheck. I started the keto diet immediately after reading about it here. I've been on it for 12 days now.

I saw some improvement in my fasting levels so far (I'm using US measurements, normal range 70-99)
10-Jun 117
11-Jun 104
12-Jun 96
13-Jun 97
14-Jun 94
15-Jun 97
16-Jun 90
17-Jun 101
18-Jun 95
19-Jun 102
20-Jun 98
21-Jun 96
22-Jun 85
23-Jun 99

My diet until couple of weeks ago consisted of rice (carbs), fruit juices, lots of fruits and some meat. I thought I was eating healthy but in fact I was eating all sugar all day. I was always too tired to exercise and I felt bad after any kind of physical activity.

I know it takes weeks and and maybe months to regulate everything, especially once you switch your diet drastically. I wanted to ask if anyone else is experiencing the same symptoms - for the last couple of months in the mornings I always wake up kind of weak, sometimes dizzy, shaky, head feels tight; always wake up early, can't sleep more even if feeling tired. My arms feel kind of weak too. I feel like I have to eat right away or else I'll be dizzier. I usually start to feel better as the day goes on, and in the evenings usually better. But mornings are rough. I've been having tingles in feet, hands and throughout whole body on and off - I had that same thing when my thyroid problems started so maybe that's something to do with that, not sure. I was tested for everything back then MRIs, lots of blood tests and everything was normal.

I'll start taking chromium and what else do you guys recommend to take? I bought some Ashwagandha too but don't want to start everything at once. Any advice is appreciated, thanks so much!
 

Jaylee

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Hi @petrak ,

Welcome to the forum.
Sounds like you have a blood test meter? Which is great!
Personally. I think those fasting figures don't look too bad. The higher figures due to "liver dump" on waking? (I'm not a doctor.)
Have you tested prior to a meal & two hours later regarding the effects of diet throughout the day?

Tagging in @daisy1 with an info pack & @AM1874
Along with @Bluetit1802 & @Brunneria
@bulkbiker may help too regarding the keto side of stuff?

All the best from J> in the UK.
 

bulkbiker

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Hi @petrak
I don;t know much about Hashimotos and Thyroid but i do follow a ketogenic diet. I'm not sure if you have come across the 2 keto dudes forum page ?
https://www.ketogenicforums.com
There are quite a few people from the states there who have similar conditions to you. Might be worth taking a look. The health issues threads are in a secure area so you will have to join before you can see them but you might find it very informative. If you are still quite new to keto then it may take a while to get fat adapted but once you get there you should start to feel quite a lot better (at least that is what most people find). The dizziness sounds a bit like low salt. Do you have extra? Once you start to not eat processed foods you get less salt in your diet so you might need a bit extra.
If you have any more questions please let me know and I'll try to help.
 

petrak

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Type of diabetes
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Thank you both so much for your help. @Jaylee I test after meals and it's always within range so far, it's the fasting number that's a bit high. I agree it's probably due to "liver dump" on waking.

@bulkbiker , I think you may be right about the salt issue because when I get dizzy and lightheaded, if I drink a cup of salty bone broth I do feel better. So I'll try more salt. I just started keto a couple of weeks ago, do you know how long it takes to get keto-adapted? I really want to start fasting as well, my only concern is I'm about 5 lbs underweight, but then again I read that fasting would help me absorb nutrients better (I can eat a lot and still not gain anything). I want to try the 16:8 fast sometime soon. I'll definitely check out the forum you linked to, thank you so much!
 
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daisy1

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@petrak

Hello Petrak and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask questions when you need to and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why
  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 

AM1874

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Hi @petrak .. and welcome
You have made a good move coming here. Since joining this forum, the folks here have given me so much info, advice and support that I am now much more confident about the journey ahead. So ask your questions and be assured that you will receive the answers that you need .. It's still early for me but, in my experience, it gets easier .. very quickly ..

It appears that yu have already taken on board the strategy that managing and controlling your diabetes through exercise, diet and testing your Blood Glucose seems to be the best way forward for many people. For me, committing to an LCHF (Low Carb High Fat) lifestyle and testing 3-5 times a day seems to be working and you'll find that there is a wealth of info, relevant advice and positive support about LCHF on the forum ..

I see that you have already received the welcome pack from @ daisy1 and I suggest that you read up on the Low Carb Program in the information that she has sent. You might also find the discussion on the Low Carb Diet forum helpful .. and the following Diet Doctor websites ...
Low Carb Intro and Information
Low Carbs in 60 Seconds

Hope this helps
 
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bulkbiker

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do you know how long it takes to get keto-adapted
Its a very individual thing and from my reading it sometimes takes longer for women than men.. but if you start to feel that you just don't fancy eating then you are probably getting there..
Most people say don't restrict what you eat (apart from carbs to less than 20g per day) when trying to get into ketosis as calorie restriction can fool the body into not accessing your fat stores. So it's better to up your fat intake with mayo, butter, cheese and cream.
 
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