Can't get weight to start moving :(

Grumpy58

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Hi there,

I am new to this thread and really starting to panic.
Unbeknownst to me I had been having Hba1C levels of up to 48 for the past 6mths possibly plus but I did not know until the GP was doing a review of patients. Was tested a week ago and got the result this day last week - Hba1C 53 !!!!. Have to be tested again in 2 weeks but I am determined that I will not start metformin

Am I being delusional or can I really make a difference in 7-10 days? I have cut out everything starchy ie. bread potatoes pasta pastry etc., as per LC diet - trying to keep to under 50g carbohydrate a day. Been doing this since last Friday but my weight will not move below 92kg. Going to the gym every other day.

I have got a monitor which is for my husband T2 and have been testing - its average gives 6.5 - with a spike of 9 - but that was after a rather rich family dinner we had been invited to.

Any suggestions gratefully received.
 

bulkbiker

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It's unlikely to come down a huge amount in 2 weeks especially as 53 isn't that high.. mine went from 87 to 70 in just over two weeks after I started low carbing at my diagnosis... however in the longer term you are definitely doing the right thing.
If you have some insulin resistance (which you do with an HbA1c of 53) then it may take some time before your insulin level is low enough to start releasing your fat stores so it will probably take a bit of time for the weight to start to come off.. Again I started from 143kg so had a lot more to loose.
One thing that I found useful was skipping breakfast and just having tea or coffee first thing in the morning.This can help by allowing the pancreas to have an extended rest after sleeping which will help to lower your insulin levels. If you think you can cope with that then maybe give it a go. Reducing your eating window i.e. just having lunch and dinner can be a very effective tool for both blood glucose control and weight loss.
Anyway you are here now so welcome. Have a read around. There is a lot of info here and someone always around to help. Feel free to ask any questions.
 

dipsydo

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While you might see the immediate impact in your meter reading you probably will not impact hba1c very much in 10 days as that is a average of about 3 months or so.. depends on the turnover of your red blood cells . However eating low carb should bring down your blood sugars your need to eat to your meter and see what spikes .

For me I generally have no , grains, pasta, rice , below ground vegetables or exotic fruits . some people find peas are bad ( they are fine for me ) and for fruits berries are better but apples and pears are an occasional treat as quite high in carbs. No low fat foods as often has hidden carbs so cream ,butter, olive oil is fine as are eggs, meat and dairy but see comments about protein .Snacks , nuts ( say handful ), olives, 2 pieces of dark chocolate, pork crackling or small lump of cheese . I would eat fish if I was not allergic. I have the occasional treat day so had a small piece of cake at on Sunday at a celebration event with no bad effects.

As regards weight loss everyone is different and it can be erratic. It is important not to eat too much protein I aim for 0.8 gm per kilo weigh I want to be . Drink a lot of fluids one and half to two litres a day and more in this heat.I found that my blood sugars reduced then weigh came off much later , others seem to see immediate weight loss. I try not to weigh more than once a week . I have lost 4 stone but have taken 6 months .. but I took it a day at a time and joy of putting the old large clothes out for charity was really encouraging to me.

You might find your current BS are reading higher than normal because of the heat which seems to impact people in different ways , I am posting 6's rather than my normal 5's and only difference seems to be the heat.

If you are going low carb you could record your meter readings and take them along and suggest to your doctor that as it needs about 3 months to see the full impact of that diet in Hba1c so it might be preferable to see the results of the change in the diet and have a test in say 3 months time and then make the decision about meds ?
 

Kristin251

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Many of us find we need less than 20 carbs per day and need to moderate our protein to reduce weight and avoid bs spikes.

I agree that you can ask your GP if you can try diet before meds. Most will agree. Even if he/ she doesn't they can't force feed them to you. Your body your choice but if you want to lose weight and lower your A1C the cheat/rather rich family dinners need to be watched. Many of us just chose the low carb options like some protein and veggies with some good fats and skip the starchy/ sugary stuff.

Best of luck. Your still new but will probably get sick of seeing the spikes and decide their not always worth it
 

JoycieW

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I can recommend The Obesity Code by Dr Jason Fung. I have managed to lose about 10kg recently by low carb and intermittent fasting following the advice in this book.
 

Grumpy58

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Thank you all for your help

I will try the skip breakfast option and take a coffee with cream. I do take lemon juice and hot water first thing anyways then off to the gym then I'll have my 2 fried eggs and a thick pork sausage. - Going out without breakfast is an alien thing to me but looks like plenty has to change now.
 

DCUKMod

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Thank you all for your help

I will try the skip breakfast option and take a coffee with cream. I do take lemon juice and hot water first thing anyways then off to the gym then I'll have my 2 fried eggs and a thick pork sausage. - Going out without breakfast is an alien thing to me but looks like plenty has to change now.

Grumpy58, you don't have to skip breakfast and many, many don't including me, and still have good results.

On the Metformin issues, my HbA1c started at 73 and I took a few months to see what I could do before considering any medication. After 4 months (I had been overseas for that time), my HbA1c had reduced to 37, and has been lower since then, so please don't focus too much on the impact in 2 weeks. It's more important you find a way of living that suits you well, and managed your diabetes into good shape. If that takes longer than 2 weeks, then so be it, in my view
 

Grumpy58

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While I'm gleaning info has anyone on here taken ALA (Alpha Lipoic Acid)?

I already take CoQ10 and Holland & Barretts Busy B supplement 1 of each once a day and Omega supplements- should I continue with these?

Our GP is just about coming round to the idea of alternative treatments/supplements for things - despite me having hit him with Reflexology 19yrs ago!! LOL

Thank you so much everyone for helping me get started on this new journey
 

Phoenix55

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Hi @Grumpy58 Slow down a bit and stop panicking. If you try to lose weight too quickly your skin does not have time to shrink with you. I lost just one pound a week over a period of months and still have some stretch marks. Your doctor will want a series of tests repeated after three months before advising medication so you have time to make substantial changes gradually. The additional benefit of this is that relatively small tweaks are necessary to have a maintenance programme of diet and exercise that you can sustain for life. I tend to bloat with fluids during hot weather and that adds weight which disappears soon after the weather breaks. As for supplements I occasionally remember to take some but a balanced diet is my first concern.
 

Kristin251

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I started taking ala for neuropathy and it has done wonders.

I take 100 mg R ALA 3 times a day. Results were fast.
 

DCUKMod

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While I'm gleaning info has anyone on here taken ALA (Alpha Lipoic Acid)?

I already take CoQ10 and Holland & Barretts Busy B supplement 1 of each once a day and Omega supplements- should I continue with these?

Our GP is just about coming round to the idea of alternative treatments/supplements for things - despite me having hit him with Reflexology 19yrs ago!! LOL

Thank you so much everyone for helping me get started on this new journey

Grumpy, if you use the forum search function, you should find a few threads on both ALA and R-ALA.
 

Resurgam

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You seem to be more concerned about your weight than your blood glucose results - by dropping your carb intake you are going to have lowered your blood glucose and even in a few weeks that should have had an impact on your Hba1c.
Lowering blood glucose should also, eventually, reduce insulin resistance and you will lose weight, but it seems harder to do - certainly it is proving to be for me, and my glucose levels seem to be staying in the normal range.
 

Grumpy58

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Evening all,

Just an update. Been strict with myself re diet and exercise, daily averages are coming in at 6.2. Fasting reading normal range.

Had a chat with my GP this afternoon albeit a locum - she has scheduled my next blood test for 3mths and given me the go ahead to do what I am doing.

Feeling positive - she also weighed me - have lost 2.5 kg.

However I am under no illusions here - my BP is still raised and if HBA1c is still raised in August I will be on Metformin and possible a BP tablet - I hope not - just gives me more impetus to stick to this.

Have a great weekend everyone.
 

AM1874

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Hi @Grumpy58 .. and welcome
As others have said above, you probably need a bit more time before you see the results of your diet .. but it will happen.

It's good that you are taking on board the strategy that managing and controlling your diabetes through exercise, diet and testing your Blood Glucose seems to be the best way forward for many people. For me, committing to an LCHF (Low Carb High Fat) lifestyle and testing 3-5 times a day seems to be working and you'll find that there is a wealth of info, relevant advice and positive support about LCHF on the forum ..

Not sure whether you have received the info pack from @daisy1 so I have tagged her for you and I suggest that you read up on the Low Carb Program in the information that she will soon be sending you. You might also find the discussion on the Low Carb Diet forum helpful .. and the following Diet Doctor websites ...
Low Carb Intro and Information
Low Carbs in 60 Seconds

Hope this helps
 

daisy1

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@Grumpy58

Hello Grumpy and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask more questions when you need to and someone will help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why
  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 

Grumpy58

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Type of diabetes
Prediabetes
@Grumpy58

Hello Grumpy and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask more questions when you need to and someone will help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why
  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
Thank you!!
 

Freema

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Hi @Grumpy58 Slow down a bit and stop panicking. If you try to lose weight too quickly your skin does not have time to shrink with you. I lost just one pound a week over a period of months and still have some stretch marks. Your doctor will want a series of tests repeated after three months before advising medication so you have time to make substantial changes gradually. The additional benefit of this is that relatively small tweaks are necessary to have a maintenance programme of diet and exercise that you can sustain for life. I tend to bloat with fluids during hot weather and that adds weight which disappears soon after the weather breaks. As for supplements I occasionally remember to take some but a balanced diet is my first concern.

my skin is fine even though I have lost 36 kg rather fast in 6 month.. I don´t think this can be generalised and the first 10 kg noone should worry of loose skin... it is later on when loosing more it can be a real problem...I think if I lose 15 kg more I´ll have to have some skin removed on my stomack