Carb flu - how to get past it?

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Type 2 people how do you get past the first few days of low carbing as I keep on caving into eating carbs whenever I feel low on energy. I would say I eat more than 150 grams of carbs per day and I've tried to reduce it down to under 50 grams a day. I don't know what my blood sugars levels are like since my meter broke 2 weeks ago and today I'm having my first appointment at my home GP. Good news is that my weight has dropped down to 20 stone 13 pounds after weighing myself last night. I've also started kick boxing after my mum signed me up to join her and I love it!! I go their now three times a week for a hour or 2 for £30 a month even though I had no say in whether I want to join or not as I was looking at several other gyms for a low price as I'm now claiming jobseekers.
 
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You'll have to be strong. Look on carb flu as withdrawal, you are addicted to carbs. And go really low carb. This way you'll have hard week or two and then be free of it. And extra salt and water of course. You can eat almost anything as long as it isn't carby. Go for cheese, for example, and olives. It will pass.
 

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My technique has been to have at hand plenty of EASILY ACCESSIBLE lo-carb snacky stuff. My favourites are:

Sliced Ham
Sliced Turkey
Pepperami
Boiled Eggs
Cheese (load so different types - mozerella, brie, cheddar...)

It was/still is the first week that is the hardest for me. I have to have PLENTY of that stuff at hand so that I don't cave and grab a carb food!

Good work on the weight loss! :)

Re: your broken meter - just write a nice, polite e-mail to the manufacturers. Tell then you have a prescription specifically for "their brand of test strips", and they'll be more than happy to send you a free meter. I've done this countless times! ;)

If you're 18, I was that age when I was diagnosed too (I'm now 37), and I was a similar weight to you to (20st - I'm now 16st). It does get easier, mate, I promise. If you're exercising 3 times a week, and lo-carbing, I can promise you - the weight will FALL off, and your BG will come right down.

Re: your exercise - kick boxing is a fantastic way to get active. The social side of it means that you don't see exercise as a chore. I wouldn't bother with gyms if I were you. Going to the gym regularly is a grind. You'll get on brilliantly with kick boxing!

NEVER UNDERESTIMATE the importance of drinking plain old water! It's the best thing in the world! Some people consider T2 diabetes "chronic dehydration", and getting plenty of water into you is a great way to help stabilise your BG.

If you're not already, you want to be drinking at least 2L of water a day (I aim for a minimum of 3L a day). If you don't "like" water, you'll just have to get used to it! Do it for 2 weeks and I promise, you'll feel so much better.

If you haven't already, read Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Atkins-New-Diet-Revolution-No-hunger/dp/0091889480

Honestly - this book changed my life for the better.

Good luck to you mate. I don't come here too often - but feel free to PM me and I'll get back to you when I can.
 
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Rather than snacking, I found that eating lots of juicy, fatty meat (steaks, pork belly, chicken legs with skin, etc) in the first few days of LC really satisfied my appetite. I kept away from anything sweet-tasting, even if it was artificially sweetened, and drank sparkling water or black coffee/green tea whenever I felt a craving, which really wasn't that often as I was deliciously full of fat!

Good luck, and keep up the good work!
 

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my weight has now dropped down to 20 stone 3 pounds, but now my blood sugars are in the 20's after waking up this morning and I'm supposed to be doing kickboxing training today. I've just had my breakfast of 2 Weetabix with milk (haven't been shopping in a week) and even now I'm still hungry and tempted to have another bowl of Weetabix. I feel slightly tired and thirsty and my blood sugar jumped from a hypo (3.6) on Saturday night (party food and alcohol) to 22.6 this morning. I'm only testing a couple of days as my GP refuses to prescribe me testing strips and told me to follow the eatwell plate. I don't know if I should take a trip to the hospital or not.
 

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my weight has now dropped down to 20 stone 3 pounds, but now my blood sugars are in the 20's after waking up this morning and I'm supposed to be doing kickboxing training today. I've just had my breakfast of 2 Weetabix with milk (haven't been shopping in a week) and even now I'm still hungry and tempted to have another bowl of Weetabix. I feel slightly tired and thirsty and my blood sugar jumped from a hypo (3.6) on Saturday night (party food and alcohol) to 22.6 this morning. I'm only testing a couple of days as my GP refuses to prescribe me testing strips and told me to follow the eatwell plate. I don't know if I should take a trip to the hospital or not.

Hi there. Have you got a Diabetic Nurse Specialist (DNS) or is your GP reviewing your Diabetes care? I'm wondering if you've received any Diabetes awareness training or been given any information from your GP or DNS about how to manage it. That is apart from "follow the Eatwell Plate." As your blood glucose is erratic, & at 22.6 is too high, I would get in to see your DNS or GP ASAP to discuss the option of medication & treatment. Youre going to have to amend your diet also I'm afraid. Many Type 2's can't tolerate cereals without causing their BG to rise alarmingly. That includes Weetabix. Until you get better control of your BG, it's best you significantly reduce your carb input. Try a cheese omelette, boiled egg, bacon & eggs etc. Like yourself, my BG was in the 20's. LCHF helped me regain control & lose weight steadily. This then gave me the freedom to introduce some foods I'd omitted, such as fruit, polish spelt rye bread, diet yoghurts, bran flakes & a weekly takeaway. BUT, that was only after I'd got my BG into single figures. I was amazed at how quickly my readings dropped by low carbing. I ate less than 50g per day. Now I have the freedom to eat triple that if I want to, without it spiking my levels.

Today, your priority is seeing a medical person about your high BG, increased thirst & tiredness. If you have urine dipsticks, use one to see your ketone & glucose level. I don't want to alarm you, so please don't be frightened. But you do need to be reviewed. I hope you get this sorted quickly. My best wishes. I'm going to tag @AndBreathe as I learnt an awful lot from her when I was first diagnosed this year. I'm sure she'll be able to offer you much better advice re managing your Diabetes & LCHF than me. Good luck hun.

Alison. X
 

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my weight has now dropped down to 20 stone 3 pounds, but now my blood sugars are in the 20's after waking up this morning and I'm supposed to be doing kickboxing training today. I've just had my breakfast of 2 Weetabix with milk (haven't been shopping in a week) and even now I'm still hungry and tempted to have another bowl of Weetabix. I feel slightly tired and thirsty and my blood sugar jumped from a hypo (3.6) on Saturday night (party food and alcohol) to 22.6 this morning. I'm only testing a couple of days as my GP refuses to prescribe me testing strips and told me to follow the eatwell plate. I don't know if I should take a trip to the hospital or not.

I have a feeling your feeling tired and thirsty is directly related to your raised blood sugars. Honestly, I doubt the Weetabix is doing you any good. Doesn't your meter tell you that? It's all very well for your Doc to tell you to follow the Eat Well Plate, but is he seeing exactly what id does to your bloods?

I've rather lost track of what meds you're taking these days. Could you remind me please?

A reading of 22.6 would be way, way too high for me, but try drinking lots of water and keep testing your bloods for a couple of hours before trundling off to A&E, unless the numbers get higher or you feel worse.

Akindrat, you have yourself on a roller coaster and are either blindly following your GP because you prefer the foods and options following the Eat Well Plate offers you, or you've got yourself very confused.

Either way, this roller coaster will not be doing you any good whatsoever physically, or mentally. I suggest you get those numbers down a bit (lots of water and fewer carbs), and do some thinking. Diabetes is a horrid affliction, but so much of how it goes is in our own hands. If we, the patient/sufferer/whatever we want to call ourselves don't grab control, we are in danger of going onto a slippery slope to infirmity and illness.

You're a bright guy. You've just finished a degree. As I understand it, you aren't working at the moment, so I suggest you invest some of the time you have to really thinking about your condition and planning a way forward. You can't go on as you have been.

I'm sorry if all of that sounds harsh, but give yourself a break.
 
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I have a feeling your feeling tired and thirsty is directly related to your raised blood sugars. Honestly, I doubt the Weetabix is doing you any good. Doesn't your meter tell you that? It's all very well for your Doc to tell you to follow the Eat Well Plate, but is he seeing exactly what id does to your bloods?

I've rather lost track of what meds you're taking these days. Could you remind me please?

A reading of 22.6 would be way, way too high for me, but try drinking lots of water and keep testing your bloods for a couple of hours before trundling off to A&E, unless the numbers get higher or you feel worse.

Akindrat, you have yourself on a roller coaster and are either blindly following your GP because you prefer the foods and options following the Eat Well Plate offers you, or you've got yourself very confused.

Either way, this roller coaster will not be doing you any good whatsoever physically, or mentally. I suggest you get those numbers down a bit (lots of water and fewer carbs), and do some thinking. Diabetes is a horrid affliction, but so much of how it goes is in our own hands. If we, the patient/sufferer/whatever we want to call ourselves don't grab control, we are in danger of going onto a slippery slope to infirmity and illness.

You're a bright guy. You've just finished a degree. As I understand it, you aren't working at the moment, so I suggest you invest some of the time you have to really thinking about your condition and planning a way forward. You can't go on as you have been.

I'm sorry if all of that sounds harsh, but give yourself a break.

I have to agree with @AndBreathe. It's not easy to hear the brutal truth sometimes...but believe me, it'll save your life. Chin up hun. You CAN do this. Best wishes. X
 

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Hi there. Have you got a Diabetic Nurse Specialist (DNS) or is your GP reviewing your Diabetes care? I'm wondering if you've received any Diabetes awareness training or been given any information from your GP or DNS about how to manage it. That is apart from "follow the Eatwell Plate." As your blood glucose is erratic, & at 22.6 is too high, I would get in to see your DNS or GP ASAP to discuss the option of medication & treatment. Youre going to have to amend your diet also I'm afraid. Many Type 2's can't tolerate cereals without causing their BG to rise alarmingly. That includes Weetabix. Until you get better control of your BG, it's best you significantly reduce your carb input. Try a cheese omelette, boiled egg, bacon & eggs etc. Like yourself, my BG was in the 20's. LCHF helped me regain control & lose weight steadily. This then gave me the freedom to introduce some foods I'd omitted, such as fruit, polish spelt rye bread, diet yoghurts, bran flakes & a weekly takeaway. BUT, that was only after I'd got my BG into single figures. I was amazed at how quickly my readings dropped by low carbing. I ate less than 50g per day. Now I have the freedom to eat triple that if I want to, without it spiking my levels.

Today, your priority is seeing a medical person about your high BG, increased thirst & tiredness. If you have urine dipsticks, use one to see your ketone & glucose level. I don't want to alarm you, so please don't be frightened. But you do need to be reviewed. I hope you get this sorted quickly. My best wishes. I'm going to tag @AndBreathe as I learnt an awful lot from her when I was first diagnosed this year. I'm sure she'll be able to offer you much better advice re managing your Diabetes & LCHF than me. Good luck hun.

Alison. X

Thanks for the plaudits Alison, but I'm just passing on the knowledge others passed to me when I arrived here in a befuddled, shocked, frustrated and rather angry state.

Akindrat has been round this loop a few times now, and I'm surprised to see him almost blindly following the Eat Well Plate, when in the past he has been around the loop, a few times, in terms of getting bloods into a much improved state, then life getting in the way. Akindrat has recently finished his degree, and I can appreciate how, during that final, bonkers, crammed period of exams, dissertations, portfolio work and all that, how control could slip, but I'm a bit stunned by the volte face from "low carb works and I feel a lot better" to "My Doc wants me to eat the "Eat Well Plate" (EWP)

Akindrat has had a number of hospital stays, triggered by horrendous levels; some way higher than today's numbers, but I'm wondering if the numbers can be grasped into control with fluid over the morning, with frequent testing, for a short while, pending a decision about A&E.
 

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Well @AndBreathe,
You were one of several very kind members who gave their time when I was first diagnosed earlier this year. Without yours & their advice, I'd still be struggling. You all saved my life if I'm honest. And yes, you may very well be passing on the knowledge that you got from others, but the fact is, you bother to do so AND you want to help. It seems you've been around for Akindrat, which I wasn't aware of when I tagged you. This disorder is hard work, and **** relentless. So, I wish the three of us good health. X

This condition is indeed hard work, physically and mentally. I went to A&E on Wednesday at 7pm with sugars at 30.9 and was allowed to leave by midnight as my sugars dropped to 19.2. I had a good telling off from the doctors and nurses their when I told them I was following lchf and how it has been good for my weight as I've dropped 4 stone since September. The doctor who saw me said that I should be sticking to the diet that my gp or diabetes nurse suggests which is the eatwell plate.

@AndBreathe like you said, I've been on a rollercoaster ride for the past few months with my uni work, diet, gym, unemployment. My gp has seen my blood sugar levels with my food diary and he just increased my medication!! I'm now on 1 gram of SR metformin twice a day, 160 mg of gliclazide twice a day, 10 mg of ramipril once a day and invokana once a day.
 

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This condition is indeed hard work, physically and mentally. I went to A&E on Wednesday at 7pm with sugars at 30.9 and was allowed to leave by midnight as my sugars dropped to 19.2. I had a good telling off from the doctors and nurses their when I told them I was following lchf and how it has been good for my weight as I've dropped 4 stone since September. The doctor who saw me said that I should be sticking to the diet that my gp or diabetes nurse suggests which is the eatwell plate.

@AndBreathe like you said, I've been on a rollercoaster ride for the past few months with my uni work, diet, gym, unemployment. My gp has seen my blood sugar levels with my food diary and he just increased my medication!! I'm now on 1 gram of SR metformin twice a day, 160 mg of gliclazide twice a day, 10 mg of ramipril once a day and invokana once a day.

Oh dear. That's not good; all around.

What does your meter say to you when you eat to the Eatwell Plate, and how does that compare with when you eat lower carb?
 

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Oh dear. That's not good; all around.

What does your meter say to you when you eat to the Eatwell Plate, and how does that compare with when you eat lower carb?

I don't have a meter yet as the doctor at the hospital said I did not need it. But I've ordered a meter that is due to be delivered on Monday.
 

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You don't have a meter yet???? I don't understand, then how have you been testing your BG levels? You have often given us readings in the past, I thought you had a meter already?
 

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You don't have a meter yet???? I don't understand, then how have you been testing your BG levels? You have often given us readings in the past, I thought you had a meter already?

I did have a meter, but the doctor at the hospital said that I do not need to test as I'm not on insulin and I was on my last few test strips.
 

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I did have a meter, but the doctor at the hospital said that I do not need to test as I'm not on insulin and I was on my last few test strips.

When someone is prescribed Gliclazide, they are able to get a free meter, lancets & test strips. Speak with your GP or DNS & request that the amount of test strips you are prescribed per month is increased. If you explain that you need to test regularly right now to self monitor & manage your erratic blood glucose levels, then you're more likely to be given the extra. Also, if you're a driver, you should be testing before heading off on your journey.....again, this is because of your Gliclazide. As you gain better control of your BG, you're likely to need to test less frequently. So, you can throw that into the conversation too. I wish you well. You're doing amazing with the weight loss. You should be chuffed. X
 
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I did have a meter, but the doctor at the hospital said that I do not need to test as I'm not on insulin and I was on my last few test strips.
Whilst I am not a T2, but a T1, I have read your trials and tribulations throughout. It strikes me that you need to choose a path and stick with it, and rather than worry about whether hospital doctors or DSNs recommend something, go with what works for you.

As it stands, you've seen that the eat well plate causes you problems and you've also said that you no longer test because the doctor said it wasn't necessary, and yet both these actions put you in hospital with stupidly high bg levels.

Sorry to be blunt but you are clearly not stupid, as you've been working on a degree. It's time to ignore what the doctors are saying, pull your head out of the sand and go with what your meter is telling you. Otherwise diabetes is going to kill you slowly or maybe slightly faster, and from reading your posts, I know that's not what you want.
 
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OK. You’re not going to enjoy this post, but I have to write it and you need to read it.

In preparation for this post, I wanted to do a search of your thread for a post I made to you some time ago, where I stated in pretty clear words, of as few syllables as I could muster just exactly how your actions of that time were f&*^ing with your mind, your body and frankly putting you into a position where you have the revolver od diabetic of Russian roulette at your temple. But, I couldn’t find it. But the search was valuable because it was a real straightener for me, and informed me of even more hard facts which do nothing to disabuse me of my Russian roulette theory.

Bottom line is; these thread have been running, in one form or another since your first post of 25th November 2012. Yes, 2012. That’s almost a year longer then I have been diagnosed.. But the sad, worrying, awful thing about all 38 threads you have created is how few of them indicate any real progress, and certainly their quantum shouts loud and clear that the success you have enjoyed along the way, and don’t get me wrong, there have been some, have been short-lived and not sustained. Unfortunately, that isn’t the way diabetes works for a great outcome. The potential long term consequences of that kind of activity aren’t good, and you know it.

Right now, I can’t decide what is driving your particular brand of self-destructive behaviour. I’m not clever enough to get to the bottom of that, but the bottom line is you need help I seriously doubt we can give you on the Internet. You need counselling. Indeed, you’ve had some counselling, but I don’t know what brought that to an end. Maybe the end of your degree and therefore your time in your Uni city. I don’t know.

But bottom line is you are bouncing around like a diabetic steel ball in a pinball machine; bouncing off the buffers, triggering alarm bells, sometimes happy bells and round you go again, until you come right down the middle of the pinball playing field and straight into the gutter, ending that play of the game.

Absolute bottom line is you have to decide what you’re going to do and stick to it. Choose one set of advisors, whoever that is, and stick with them.

Last night I just couldn’t get the good old Dolly Parton song out of my mind,…… “Here you go again”, and this morning I actually called it up on YouTube, and it really can be applied to you. In the song, Dolly represents you and the person she sings about is your attitude to your diabetes, and your constantly changes in approach to your care, and self care. Watch it and overlay those thoughts.


Now, today, choose your which route you are going to adopt and stick with it. Thus far, the influencers I have read you cite are:

· GP at home
· GP at Uni
· Nurse at home
· Nurse at Uni
· Parents
· Flatmates
· Counsellor
· Hospital Doctors
· Personal Trainers
· T’internet – Here I have no idea if you subscribe elsewhere
. There are probably more I don't understand

You appear to listen to the person shouting loudest at any given moment. That’s simply not going to work. From somewhere inside you, you have to summon up your own voice, your own will and some application.

As I said, at the beginning of this post, I’m sure this isn’t comfortable reading for you. It hasn’t been so comfortable to write either, but I have reached the end of the “There, there” platitudes.

You are a bright young man, who needs to apply a few of those grey cells to steady, progressive thought. You need help, but more than anything else you need to help yourself, and until such times as you decide to help yourself properly, our efforts to support you will be futile.
 
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AndBreathe said "You appear to listen to the person shouting loudest at any given moment. That’s simply not going to work. From somewhere inside you, you have to summon up your own voice, your own will and some application."

I totally agree with this. This is where I was for years, but thankfully the only health issue I had then was my weight. I wasn't diabetic back then. As AndBreathe says, and as I have said before, you need counselling. I don't believe you will find a way forward without good quality help. Please speak to your GP about this. I was referred for 8 sessions of counselling by my GP. The counsellor was so good that I decided to carry on seeing her and have had 25 sessions now. Your issues with food go much deeper than simply figuring out why you binge at any given moment. This isn't about will power or even carb addiction. Carb addiction doesn't take that long to beat if you are dedicated. I don't feel you will be able to beat it until you face some deep seated issues. You probably don't really know what those deep down issues are. I didn't. Counselling is not cheap, but then neither is the kick boxing.

I understand now why I, like you, kept self sabotaging my own plans. There is a reason that your own will can't surface and you end up relying on others. You need help in discovering those reasons and you need it now. If you don't get that help now I can only see a bleak future ahead for you.

I'm afraid only you can do this Akindrat.
 
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Hi @akindrat18

That is great advice you've just got. You need to put it into practice. I believe you know what is good and not good for you. Spikes such as those you're experiencing are setting you on a path you may not wish to walk. You're making inroads, but seeking help here is one thing, doing something about it is another story. Party food and alcohol? Kick boxing and losing weight? Do you perhaps finally see a connection between the two?.

Drop the first habit and embrace the second.

.... your weight loss is meaningless without also correcting your lifestyle. They go hand in glove.
 
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