Counting carbs

VioletViolet

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Hello

I look at this site a lot for general health advice because my blood sugars are on the high side. I have a feeling when I started looking here that most people used to count the number of carbs they eat in a day rather than exclude certain foods. Has there been a shift in methods used? I've tried following the Diet Doctor plan but I always crack and end up bingeing on biscuits. I'm thinking it would be more successful for me to count daily carbs. Or is that asking for fututure diabetes trouble?

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There are as many different ways of dealing with D as there are people on this forum.

I say just find what works for YOU.
And then do it.


:D

So if carb counting works better than diet doc, then go for it!
 

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I use an APP called lifesum in which I put al my estimated amounts of the diferent kind og foods, so I can see along the day how much carb i have eaten... of cause I also know which kinds of food to avoid, and avoid them the best by not buying them at all... but as I live with my non-diabtic daugther I can´t avoid them... eating a lot of macadamia helps me in the moment and cottage cheese and blueberries or strawberries as treats with double cream..or creme fraise
 

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Hello

I look at this site a lot for general health advice because my blood sugars are on the high side. I have a feeling when I started looking here that most people used to count the number of carbs they eat in a day rather than exclude certain foods. Has there been a shift in methods used? I've tried following the Diet Doctor plan but I always crack and end up bingeing on biscuits. I'm thinking it would be more successful for me to count daily carbs. Or is that asking for fututure diabetes trouble?

Thanks :)

When you say your blood sugar is on the high side, what do you mean - ie what numbers?

As @Brunneria says, you need to do what works for you. We're all different. Find an eating plan that suits you and gives you good results :)

Can I ask what you mean by "asking for future diabetes trouble"?
 

VioletViolet

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Thanks for all the replies :)

@azure when I have my blood tested I am usually borderline and have been warned to keep my weight down. I get a fright and look after myself for a bit then drift back to poor eating habits. What I mean by "asking for future diabetes trouble" is that if I don't start taking care of myself diet wise I am likely to end up diabetic through my own eating habits. I just wondered if it's wiser to get good habits low carb wise rather than count them and have all my carbs in one yummy evening meal!
 

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Thanks for all the replies :)

@azure when I have my blood tested I am usually borderline and have been warned to keep my weight down. I get a fright and look after myself for a bit then drift back to poor eating habits. What I mean by "asking for future diabetes trouble" is that if I don't start taking care of myself diet wise I am likely to end up diabetic through my own eating habits. I just wondered if it's wiser to get good habits low carb wise rather than count them and have all my carbs in one yummy evening meal!

I'd think it was best to spread your carbs over the day. Meals can still be yummy without being high carb :)

What you said about drifting back to your old ways is very common. Perhaps having some support might help? You could post here in the weight loss sections or see if there are any local groups or even a friend who's also trying to lose weight?

You might also find something like MyFitnessPal inspiring. You can set targets and lok back over your day to see how you've done.
 

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@VioletViolet, I too find it hard to stay motivated when you are not in one camp or the other. It's been 6 years for me being borderline/prediabetic and most days I feel just fed up. I have had ups and downs in weight and blood sugar. Moan over.

What has worked for me: this forum, getting hold of and logging my lab blood tests, getting a blood glucose meter and testing at least once a day at my problem times and understanding what it means, a fitness app to log my carbs and weight.

Most importantly finding a balance that works for me
 
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VioletViolet

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@VioletViolet, I too find it hard to stay motivated when you are not in one camp or the other. It's been 6 years for me being borderline/prediabetic and most days I feel just fed up. I have had ups and downs in weight and blood sugar. Moan over.

What has worked for me: this forum, getting hold of and logging my lab blood tests, getting a blood glucose meter and testing at least once a day at my problem times and understanding what it means, a fitness app to log my carbs and weight.

Most importantly finding a balance that works for me
I think the way my brain works is cram all this dodgy food in now just in case one day I can't. Suffice to say I don't feel well!
 

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@VioletViolet

It sounds to me as though you haven't got your own glucose meter. These are essential tools, and if you "eat to your meter" you can't go far wrong. This means testing before you eat and then again 90 minutes to 2 hours after first bite. The rise from before to after is likely to tell you what that meal has done to your levels and gives you the opportunity to look at the carbs in that meal, reduce the portion size next time, or eliminate completely. Keeping a food diary and recording all these levels alongside will be of great benefit as you will see patterns emerging and be able to see which carbs are worse for you.
 

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@VioletViolet

It sounds to me as though you haven't got your own glucose meter. These are essential tools, and if you "eat to your meter" you can't go far wrong. This means testing before you eat and then again 90 minutes to 2 hours after first bite. The rise from before to after is likely to tell you what that meal has done to your levels and gives you the opportunity to look at the carbs in that meal, reduce the portion size next time, or eliminate completely. Keeping a food diary and recording all these levels alongside will be of great benefit as you will see patterns emerging and be able to see which carbs are worse for you.

I do have one, but ran out of test strips over a year ago. If there were awards for gormlessness.....:meh:
 
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@VioletViolet

Hello Violet and welcome to the forum :) You may have already seen this but just in case..... Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 147,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
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