Diagnosed 2012 with no meds until now...

Lolhere

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
My diabetes is out of control, I don't know why, but I was 12.9-24 mmol at any time.. After a sample, blood test & visit to doc, I have been put on Metformin & Atvorstatin & took my first tablets yesterday.. Strange as most other ailments I have suffered since 2012.. have now been recognised by the doc as part of my diabetes! I've been saying to my diabetic nurse & she dismissed it.. My doctor knew me when the rubbish started for my health, he told me diabetes & getting to this stage is not my fault... Every other health professional has treated me like it was... I was going to the gym 3 times a week & inbetween cycling & walking when first diagnosed.
Yesterday, when I went to get my prescription from the pharmacist. He asked for a word... he advised about gradually taking them a week at a time upping them. So 1x 2 daily until I get to 2x 2 daily in Metformin. The Statin is to be at night... I didn't ask why at night... The pharmacist signed me up for callback checkups & tests to see how I go on the tablets. It has put me more at ease. I wonder how many people know about this pharmacy service... Will save the docs some time.
I'm hoping if I get it under control maybe I have a fighting chance at trying to beat it. Here's hoping. Any advice greatly received.
 

Resurgam

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Are you still eating carbs to any great extent?
Many people get advice to eat 'healthy' carbs, and make no difference to their blood glucose levels.
I was so ill on Metformin and Atorvastatin, so I had a real incentive to keep my numbers down.
 

AM1874

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Hi @Lolhere .. and welcome
You have certainly made a good move coming here. Since joining this forum, the folks here have given me so much info, advice and support that I am now much more confident about the journey ahead. So ask your questions and be assured that you will receive the answers that you need .. It's still early for me but, in my experience, it gets easier .. very quickly ..

Managing and controlling your diabetes through exercise, diet and testing your Blood Glucose seems to be the best way forward for many people. For me, committing to an LCHF (Low Carb High Fat) lifestyle and testing 3-5 times a day seems to be working and you'll find that there is a wealth of info, relevant advice and positive support about LCHF on the forum ..

I have tagged @daisy1 for you and I suggest that you read up on the Low Carb Program in the information that she will soon be sending you. You might also find the discussion on the Low Carb Diet forum helpful .. and the following Diet Doctor websites ...
Low Carb Intro and Information
Low Carbs in 60 Seconds

A top priority is that you get yourself a meter for testing and, for this, I suggest that you try the website at:
https://homehealth-uk.com/product-category/blood-glucose/
for the SD Codefree meter, which costs £12.98 (you don't pay VAT) or:
http://spirit-healthcare.co.uk/product/tee2-blood-glucose-meter/
who distribute the TEE 2 meter, which is free.
I have both for comparative purposes and I have never found any significant difference between them. Unless you are prescribed test strips by your doctor (unlikely), the costs of testing comes down to the ongoing charges for test strips and lancets. I'm testing 3-4 times a day which works out at around £10 to £12 per month for either of the two packages above but, more importantly, I now know what my BG levels are .. and I can now manage them
Hope this helps
 

Art Of Flowers

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956
Type of diabetes
I reversed my Type 2
Treatment type
Diet only
Metformin and exercise wont help much. The solution is to drastically reduce the amount of carbohydrate you are eating.

Cut out breakfast cereals, bread, potatoes, rice and pasta. Also avoid fruit juice as it is full of sugar and also don't eat fruit such as grapes and bananas. See https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb for some info of what is good to eat on a low carb diet.

Get a blood glucose meter if you don't have one and test before and two hours after eating to see what foods spike your blood sugar. Many people here eat a Low Carb High Fat (LCHF) diet to manage their type 2 diabetes. You need extra fat in your diet when you cut out carbs as it provided an alternative form of energy which does not raise blood sugar.
 
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hca

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Hello and welcome. I see you are already getting getting some excellent advice. Ask as many questions as you need. X
 
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covknit

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Prefer not to say
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Other
Welcome. Welcome. Apart from @Art Of Flowers comment about exercise I agree with everyones comments. Gt a meter and test so you know what works for you but exercise is very much a use it or lose it scenario. With diabetes your body already has to work harder than it would have without. By exercising your muscles keep making the glucagon and oxygenating cells. It is also a good way to keep your body processing any excess sugars it creates from your food/drink intake.
 
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daisy1

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Type 2
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Tablets (oral)
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Cruelty towards animals.
@Lolhere

Hello Lolhere and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask more questions when you want and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why
  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 

Art Of Flowers

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956
Type of diabetes
I reversed my Type 2
Treatment type
Diet only
Statins raise blood sugar and can cause muscle pain and memory loss. Personally, I would never take them.

When I was diagnosed with type 2 I had a fasting blood sugar level of 13.1 and HbA1C of 99. I was told by the GP to cut out sugar and do more exercise and put on 2 Metformin tablets a day. Metformin can give you diarrhoea and make you get up in the middle of the night to pee. I found that my sleep pattern was fractured and was feeling tired.

I cut out foods with lots of added sugar and six weeks later when I had my first appointment with the diabetes nurse my blood sugar had reduced to 9.8. Metformin can help, but would only reduce my blood sugars from 13 to about 11. To get down to the desired range of 4-7 you have to change your diet. I found that by reducing high carb foods like breakfast cereals, bread, rice, pasta and potatoes my blood glucose reading dropped from 10 down to around 6 in a few weeks. I also tried to exercise more by walking.

Exercise can help a little to reduce blood sugar levels, but is a waste of time if you are eating too many high carb foods. I cut down my Metformin from twice a day to once a day and after my last appointment with the diabetes nurse I have stopped completely. I was getting some neuropathy symptoms which may have been from vitamin B12 deficiency caused by taking Metformin. I now take B12 and Alpha Lipoic Acid supplements. ALA is good for symptoms of neuropathy and is also good at increasing cognitive function and clearing brain fog.
 
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ringi

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Statins raise blood sugar and can cause muscle pain and memory loss.

Not for most people.

Metformin can give you diarrhoea and make you get up in the middle of the night to pee. I found that my sleep pattern was fractured and was feeling tired.

I have no issue with Metformin the diarrhoea stopped after about the 3rd day, about the same time as I stopped eating bread, maybe related I don't know. Metformin has a very good safety record, and as it reduces insulin insensitivity it tend to stop the pancreas having to work so hard and lowers the level of insulin in your system, hence enabling weight loss.

Some people just don't get on with Metformin, but each person should give it time to see if they can get on with it. Metformin now may stop you needing insulin injections in 5 or 10 years time.

I cut out foods with lots of added sugar and six weeks later when I had my first appointment with the diabetes nurse my blood sugar had reduced to 9.8. Metformin can help, but would only reduce my blood sugars from 13 to about 11. To get down to the desired range of 4-7 you have to change your diet. I found that by reducing high carb foods like breakfast cereals, bread, rice, pasta and potatoes my blood glucose reading dropped from 10 down to around 6 in a few weeks. I also tried to exercise more by walking.

I have gone from 35 to mostly under 6 in 3 weeks and are now just on Metformin along with not eating any high carb foods. I have also been doing a 45 minutes power walk each day, it has now become a mix of walking and jogging, I also try to go for a short walk after dinner most evening, as that the meal with the most carbs.

Diet is key, everyone should read the "Living a low carb" book! If I had read it a few years ago I would not have Type2 now.

Exercise can help a little to reduce blood sugar levels, but is a waste of time if you are eating too many high carb foods.

Exercise can reduce insulin insensitivity if you build up muscle mass as the muscle help to reduce blood sugar levels even when you are not exercising. Hence it is more about the long term effect then the reading on the BG meter at the time.
 
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bulkbiker

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Type 2
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Diet only
but each person should give it time to see if they can get on with it. Metformin now may stop you needing insulin injections in 5 or 10 years time.

Or then again you could just change your diet and not even use metformin at all thus saving it for use in the future if it is ever required.. Also this avoids the gastric problems that it can bring which are not pleasant and can last a lot longer than 3 days..
As for statins.. until the person prescribing them can show that they know a lot more about the role cholesterol plays in keeping us alive than most GP's then I won't be taking them.
 

Bluetit1802

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Type of diabetes
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You only have to read the information leaflet with statin packets to see that they raise blood sugar levels and can contribute towards diabetes.
 

Resurgam

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A few weeks on statins and I was a wreck - combined with Metformin, I really felt that I didn't want to live like that. I couldn't remember where I parked the car, and did the Christmas shopping twice.
 

ringi

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Or then again you could just change your diet and not even use metformin at all thus saving it for use in the future if it is ever required..

I am going to do both, and then ask for a fasting insulin level test once my long term blood sugars are back to normal. If my insulin level is below normal, I will then consider coming of the metformin. I do not wish to poison myself with insulin even if my BG is "normal".

As to statins, the side effect are reported to stop soon after you stop taking it, therefore provided someone is looking out for the side effect and acts if they get them, I am not too concerned about the possible side effects.
 

Pinkorchid

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
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You only have to read the information leaflet with statin packets to see that they raise blood sugar levels and can contribute towards diabetes.
I think they probably caused mine as I was not typical for it any other way. I still take them and have never suffered from any of the side effects that some here have described having