Diagnosed a week before Christmas.

lowedb

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
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Tablets (oral)
So I've known for a couple of weeks that I'm T2. Still learning lots. Taking 500mg Metformin and 40mg Gliclazide. The advice from the GP surgery is mixed, having seen two GPs plus the diabetic nurse, each of which contradicted the others.

Numbers are down from what they were generally staying below 10 over the last few days. Surprising how many of the things I'd been led to believe were good for me have my BS all over the place. Trips to the supermarket are taking way longer these days as I'm checking ingredients lists and finding added sugar everywhere.

I'm generally using LCHF, but having been fairly 'good' with low fat over the past twenty odd years it's hard to not think I'm having too much fat. On the other hand I reckon I'm having too many calories as I'm never feeling really hungry. That's helpful in keeping to the new food regime, though!

One thing I have noticed, I'm finding my hands and feet feeling the cold much more than before. Not sure if its the medication, or the reduction in BS, but with the weather as it is, its not pleasant.
 

miahara

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Type 3c
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Insulin
Welcome to the club @lowedb ! I'm almost 12 months ahead of you with my diagnosis - Dec2015. You'll find that your BG numbers will take a little time to fall and stabilise and the more carbs, particularly higher sugar carbs you cut the lower will be your BG readings. Supermarket shopping does take a bit longer now you have to pay attention to the small print, but over time you start to be able to almost second guess what the small print is going to telling you. Can't say as I'm surprised about the mixed advice you received - it's not uncommon and some GPs and DSNs don't have much clue as to current scientific opinion.
As far as circulation goes DCUK has an article about it here -
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes-complications/poor-blood-circulation.html
 

Maggie/Magpie

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Tablets (oral)
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Butternut Squash, Cabbage and confrontation.
Hi and welcome to the forum.
@daisy1 will be along shortly with some overall advise that 's given to everyone.
Ask as many and any questions you may have here there's always someone that can help.
Well done for getting through Christmas on your own. By joining this forum you can consider yourself no longer alone in all of this. There's plenty of us here to support you and for you to talk to any time.
I would suggest the cold hands and feet has more to do with the diabetes and poor circulation rather than the medication.
Good luck with it all
Maggie
 

lowedb

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Hi and welcome to the forum.
@daisy1 will be along shortly with some overall advise that 's given to everyone.
Ask as many and any questions you may have here there's always someone that can help.
Well done for getting through Christmas on your own. By joining this forum you can consider yourself no longer alone in all of this. There's plenty of us here to support you and for you to talk to any time.
I would suggest the cold hands and feet has more to do with the diabetes and poor circulation rather than the medication.
Good luck with it all
Maggie
Thanks. The reason I wondered about the medication, is I only noticed it after I started on them. Up until three weeks ago I was one of those people who was aways too hot rather than too cold.
 

lowedb

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254
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Welcome to the club @lowedb ! I'm almost 12 months ahead of you with my diagnosis - Dec2015. You'll find that your BG numbers will take a little time to fall and stabilise and the more carbs, particularly higher sugar carbs you cut the lower will be your BG readings. Supermarket shopping does take a bit longer now you have to pay attention to the small print, but over time you start to be able to almost second guess what the small print is going to telling you. Can't say as I'm surprised about the mixed advice you received - it's not uncommon and some GPs and DSNs don't have much clue as to current scientific opinion.
As far as circulation goes DCUK has an article about it here -
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes-complications/poor-blood-circulation.html
Thanks. I'm trying to make sure I have nothin at all with sugar, and avoiding bread potatoes rice and pasta, in spite of one of the GPs telling me that's what I should eat. The other suggested I should be very careful with them and recommended this site.
 

miahara

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1,019
Type of diabetes
Type 3c
Treatment type
Insulin
Thanks. I'm trying to make sure I have nothin at all with sugar, and avoiding bread potatoes rice and pasta, in spite of one of the GPs telling me that's what I should eat. The other suggested I should be very careful with them and recommended this site.
The 'intern' Doc who who diagnosed me pointed me to this site too, and thank goodness she did!
 
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pleinster

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Type 2
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Diet only
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ignorance
Hi, @lowedb, a handy guide worth bearing in mind while shopping is that low carb is generally anything with 10g or less per 100g of product. Most veggies that grow above ground are fine. Asparagus is kind to us poor wee souls and avocado is wonderful. M&S do dried bacon strips with no carbs, and also smoked cheese slices - no carbs (I find that these can serve as a breakfast in place of cereal..though I am less strict these days as things are quite well under control). Be sure to keep your fluid intake good too; I drink 2-3 litres of very diluted Robinsons. Good luck.
 

daisy1

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Type 2
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Tablets (oral)
Dislikes
Cruelty towards animals.
@lowedb

Hello and welcome to the forum :) Here is the basic information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Amongst other things, this contains a lot of advice about carbs and levels and a link to the Low Carb Program which I suggest you join - it's free. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 220,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 

Daibell

Master
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Type of diabetes
LADA
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Insulin
Hi and welcome. I can't explain your cold feet and hands problem as Metformin and Gliclazide cause very few problems and your dosage is low. One reason you never feel hungry is that the low-carb diet together with fat will reduce sugar-highs from the carbs, so you're already doing the right things.
 

pixie1

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Type of diabetes
Treatment type
Diet only
Welcome to the forum. I haven't posted for a long time myself. Considering you are newly diagnosed, you have been put on meds straight away. Did they offer you to try diet control first or was your HbA1c was very high. For the interest of everyone what was your test results for the test as you should have had 2 or 3 before diagnoses. Be aware if you are low carbing you will go hypo because of your meds. Do you test your sugar levels.
 

lowedb

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254
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Welcome to the forum. I haven't posted for a long time myself. Considering you are newly diagnosed, you have been put on meds straight away. Did they offer you to try diet control first or was your HbA1c was very high. For the interest of everyone what was your test results for the test as you should have had 2 or 3 before diagnoses. Be aware if you are low carbing you will go hypo because of your meds. Do you test your sugar levels.
No, I was put on Gliclazide on the spot with Metformin added later. First test was 20, then 6 days later it was 19, but I'd only been on the Gliclazide for one day at that point. I'm assuming they were HbA1c tests but didn't ask because at that point I'd not learned what it was all about. Had another test yesterday but won't get the results until my next appointment at the end of the month. In the mean time I'm testing BG, which is still coming down, but nowhere near a Hypo yet. Lowest ever reading was 5.8 last night before bed, though it had risen by this morning to 8.3.
 

dbr10

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Type of diabetes
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Tablets (oral)
Thanks. I'm trying to make sure I have nothin at all with sugar, and avoiding bread potatoes rice and pasta, in spite of one of the GPs telling me that's what I should eat. The other suggested I should be very careful with them and recommended this site.
NHS advice is a mess of contradictions
 

lowedb

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Messages
254
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Welcome to the forum. I haven't posted for a long time myself. Considering you are newly diagnosed, you have been put on meds straight away. Did they offer you to try diet control first or was your HbA1c was very high. For the interest of everyone what was your test results for the test as you should have had 2 or 3 before diagnoses. Be aware if you are low carbing you will go hypo because of your meds. Do you test your sugar levels.
Finally managed to prise my results out of them. HbA1c was 90 at diagnosis. I did have other tests soon after but they weren't HbA1c. tests. They were extremely awkward about providing my results (GP was fine, receptionists treated me like I had crawled from under a stone and asked). I asked for all results, and they assured me I had them. I'm still missing some so I'll be going back, again, to get the rest.
 

Phoenix55

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Type of diabetes
Prediabetes
Welcome to the world of type 2. There seem to be a lot of contradictions, misinformation and general confusion in the medical community and in the population at large about diabetes. There are a couple of things you should know:
1) after a couple of weeks going at a snails pace round the supermarket you will sort out the foods that you can eat and those best avoided and be back to almost your usual time.
2) everyone is different so we all have to find our own way. Your meter becomes your best friend, your food diary a habit and walking a new way of life.

On here we try to support each other yet let each find their own way. It can be daunting at times, particularly when you think 'how did that happen?' when the meter result gives you a surprise, sometimes it is good other times not so good. If you are eating full fat and have dropped the carbs then the weight will start to come off. I lost about a pound a week for months until I stepped up the amount of fats I was eating. Now I just have to be careful when I am eating out.

You have made a good start. Good luck