Gym Instructor and Diet

[akindrat18]

I recently joined the gym and will be doing a one hour workout in the morning between 9 and 11 am and maybe another hour in late afternoon/early evening. I also have a personal gym instructor who has now given me a diet sheet that goes against my current diet (LCHF) as it says that I should eat between 40 to 60 grams of carbs per meal and pointed me in the direction of mensfitness.com where they have an article that says 'not having a consistent amount of carb intake throughout the day will mess with your blood sugars.'

http://www.mensfitness.com/nutrition/what-to-eat/nutrition-qa-when-should-i-eat-carbs

Should I follow what my instructor says or not?

 

[paul-1976]

The instructor is just following the status quo-those amounts of carbs per meal will put your levels through the roof as an average diabetic.

 

[sally and james]

My husband's gym instructor is a big fan of LCHF and to show how good an instructor he is, over the last 12 months he's successfully turned someone with the muscle structure of a partially set blancmange (i.e. James) into a bit of a gym bunny.
Sally

 

[IanD]

Six 1/2 years ago, after following the complex carb, low fat diet for 8 years I was becoming crippled. I could not do a non-intense gym circuit intended for heart patients. Change of diet to low carb & the intructors are keen to challenge me at table tennis.

Get your energy from fats, not carbs, & instruct your trainer into a healthy diet.

 

[ElyDave]

I recently joined the gym and will be doing a one hour workout in the morning between 9 and 11 am and maybe another hour in late afternoon/early evening. I also have a personal gym instructor who has now given me a diet sheet that goes against my current diet (LCHF) as it says that I should eat between 40 to 60 grams of carbs per meal and pointed me in the direction of mensfitness.com where they have an article that says 'not having a consistent amount of carb intake throughout the day will mess with your blood sugars.'

http://www.mensfitness.com/nutrition/what-to-eat/nutrition-qa-when-should-i-eat-carbs

Should I follow what my instructor says or not?

Have a search on line for Phinney and Volek, two books that I know of on low carbing, (The Art and Science of Low carb Performance is one) probably more papers as well.

 

[jack412]

change instructors?

http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf
http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14045524.php
http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/lowcarbliving/a/Food-Cravings.htm
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/
http://diabeticmediterraneandiet.com/low-carb-mediterranean-diet/
http://www.lowcarbdietitian.com/blog/carbohydrate-restriction-an-option-for-diabetes-management

 

[akindrat18]

I cannot change instructors jack412 as he is the only diabetic gym instructor who was type 2 until he lost quite a huge amount of fat. Also he reccommends that I should stay away from fatty foods as I did a cholesterol check and mine has sky-rocketed up since I had it last checked.

I can still to do low carb if i aim to have 30-40 grams of carbs for breakast, lunch and dinner as I checked that low carb is having less that 130 grams a day.

 

[jack412]

see how you go with 130g carbs, without fats/oils you are going to drop a bunch of weight, it's not recommended for diabetics to eat high protein
I worry about someone taking advise from a gym instructor as much as I do about taking advise from someone on forums
you need to do proper research

https://www.google.com.au/#q=lchf cholesterol myth
generally LCHF will reduce your triglycerides and raise your hdl

 

[NoCrbs4Me]

I cannot change instructors jack412 as he is the only diabetic gym instructor who was type 2 until he lost quite a huge amount of fat. Also he reccommends that I should stay away from fatty foods as I did a cholesterol check and mine has sky-rocketed up since I had it last checked.

I can still to do low carb if i aim to have 30-40 grams of carbs for breakast, lunch and dinner as I checked that low carb is having less that 130 grams a day.

Your blood lipids have very little to do with what you eat. LCHF will most likely improve your lipid numbers, especially triglycerides. The last time I showed my dietitian my blood sugar and lipid lab results she said she couldn't argue against my diet even though the official recommendation is a high carb low fat.

 

[phoenix]

see how you go with 130g carbs, without fats/oils you are going to drop a bunch of weight, it's not recommended for diabetics to eat high protein
I worry about someone taking advise from a gym instructor as much as I do about taking advise from someone on forums
you need to do proper research

https://www.google.com.au/#q=lchf cholesterol myth
generally LCHF will reduce your triglycerides and raise your hdl

Dr T Dayspring is a well known advocate of low carb diets I and a well credentialed lipidologist.
He states that about 25% of the people he sees on a LCHF diet see rising levels of LDL.
The 'lowcarbdietitian' also found tha on an extremely low carb diet t she experienced raised levels of 'bad' cholesterol. She writes about it here. There are a lot of comments including one from Dr Dayspring himself http://www.lowcarbdietitian.com/blo...ery-low-carb-ketogenic-diet-my-own-experience
Here also is an article from Havard University. It is well referenced and discusses some of the arguments http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/fats-full-story/

You certainly do need to research but using a search word 'myth' will surely bias what you find.
If you want to do a more academic search for yourself then may I suggest using the terms LDL cholesterol, dietary fat on google scholar. Limit the search to recent studies as here http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?as_ylo=2010&q=ldl dietary fat&hl=en&as_sdt=0,5

I don't know what qualifications your instructor has If he is indeed T2 , has lost weight, become insulin sensitive and has a good HbA1c then he is at least as qualified to give you help and advice on what worked for him as anyone on a forum .

 

[paul-1976]

But the instructor is advising eating around 180 grams of carbs a day and the OP has struggled with extremely high Bg's in the past-to the point of being hospitalised I believe and is not on insulin so how is the instructor recommending eating such a high amount of carbs good advice?

 

[akindrat18]

But the instructor is advising eating around 180 grams of carbs a day and the OP has struggled with extremely high Bg's in the past-to the point of being hospitalised I believe and is not on insulin so how is the instructor recommending eating such a high amount of carbs good advice?

My instructor advises that amount of carbs when I've been at the gym regularly for 6 months, but for now it will be around 120 grams of carbs. Also I did get hospitalized twice from alcohol related incidents that raised my Bg levels to a significant amount. As for my medication, I am on gliclazide 80 mg one 2 times a day, metformin 500 mg two 2 times a day and ramipril 10mg one a day.

 

[Alanp35]

There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Low carb has been proven time and time again to work for most people. Each of us may have a different level of carbs which suits and this too is fine.
I have stunning results from 12 months of LC other have expressed similar results. Nuff said.

 

[Engineer88]

Why are you considering a diet sheet from a gym instructor? Just ignore him.

 

[phoenix]

We don't know the source of the carbs. but I suspect that the diet is very different to the one used in the past. Actually we don't know a lot at all. I bet he isn't being told to eat pizzas, pastries and pies. We do know that he is going to see this instructor on a regular basis. What's the point of going to someone and then ignoring half the advice ?Sure if it doesn't work and his meter says so or if the op finds he doesn't keep up with the couple of hours of exercise every day . Then he can dismiss it .

*120g of carbs which is what is actually being suggested at the moment is not high carb. Even at the top of the low carb diet forum there is an article by Fergus with the definition ' Liberal low carb 90-130g'


.And here's what was my favourite inspirational story about how exercise can work in someone who was very overweight and has T2. Initially he even ate a diet of junk food which was everything that all of us would think was bad. He eventually overcame this (he had a type of eating disorder) but the exercise alone worked in the early stages. His glucose levels overtime dropped from being in the 30s to a fasting level of 5mmol/l
http://39stonecyclist.com/about/
( I say was since sadly he has had to stop riding as he has multiple sclerosis but his previous success still stands)

 

[sally and james]

@phoenix wrote, "What's the point of going to someone and then ignoring half the advice ?"

The point of going to see them is to find out which half of the advice they give out will be useful to you!

Sally

 

[jack412]

Dr T Dayspring is a well known advocate of low carb diets I and a well credentialed lipidologist.
He states that about 25% of the people he sees on a LCHF diet see rising levels of LDL.
The 'lowcarbdietitian' also found tha on an extremely low carb diet t she experienced raised levels of 'bad' cholesterol. She writes about it here. There are a lot of comments including one from Dr Dayspring himself http://www.lowcarbdietitian.com/blo...ery-low-carb-ketogenic-diet-my-own-experience
Here also is an article from Havard University. It is well referenced and discusses some of the arguments http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/fats-full-story/

You certainly do need to research but using a search word 'myth' will surely bias what you find.
If you want to do a more academic search for yourself then may I suggest using the terms LDL cholesterol, dietary fat on google scholar. Limit the search to recent studies as here http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?as_ylo=2010&q=ldl dietary fat&hl=en&as_sdt=0,5

I don't know what qualifications your instructor has If he is indeed T2 , has lost weight, become insulin sensitive and has a good HbA1c then he is at least as qualified to give you help and advice on what worked for him as anyone on a forum .

I think that was my whole point, take nothing at face value from a trainer or someone on a forum, do your own research
the info he was given to eat 40-60g per main meal plus a carb-rich snacks, http://www.mensfitness.com/nutrition/what-to-eat/nutrition-qa-when-should-i-eat-carbs may not be suitable for a T2 diabetic

the belief that fat raises cholesterol isn't black and white and obviously a google search with myth as a key word would give one sided info, and was also the point. for him to take that on board too. That it isn't black and white. he needs to research and make up his own mind