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Hi, I'm Jo, from the Netherlands. I've been reading threads here and there, but it wasn't until yesterday that I replied to someone for the first time. So I thought I'd better introduce myself and do things properly (for once. ;)). I was diagnosed T2 last year, at the ripe old age of 37, juuust when my (wonderful and supportive) GP was going on holiday. So I got a prescription from the replacement who hadn't even seen me, and that's basically when I decided, right.... So I'll do this by myself then! Technically speaking I did the diagnosis myself too... My liver was/is shot, and I wanted to know why. I didn't drink, so that wasn't it, cancer got ruled out after ultrasounds, an MRI and CT scan... And google was kind enough to provide me with a long list of other probable causes. One of them was diabetes, and since I was crossing off the list, and our cat is a T1, I thought, what the heck... I'll check with his meter. After which I was basically floored. The next day I stuck myself every hour to see what happened when I ate like I always did, and by noon I was crying my eyes out. I was too scared to eat anything at that point, everything seemed to be poison. While everyone, from the nurse to the dieticians and specialist seemed to be on holiday, and my doc's replacement put me on metformin (never left the loo for two weeks, so got gliclazide after that), I started reading. The US approach was "If you don't follow my diet, you'll die!", the Austrian approach was "You'll be fine, here's a diet. And by the way, you are now a bird", and the Dutch approach, well... "You can have a long happy life, see, there's happy people pictures in this book, you'll be fiiiine. Here's a few ideas on what you can do in the kitchen". Everything kept coming down to food! Okay...! That I can work with! I took what I could from every book and started putting together something that worked for me, because anything with milk will get my joints inflamed, and then there's a bunch of migraine triggers I need to steer clear from, and soy messes with my thyroid meds... You get the idea. I don't know the HbA1c numbers you guys use, but at last check mine were 38, which was thrilling, as I started out at 70... (My cholesterol's a lot better too, and my liver's slowly but surely recovering) Naturally, my thyroid is messed up right now so screwing up my happy little numbers, and this heat, oh... I'm all over the place; up, down, backwards... But I've been without medication since January, which was my initial goal. And I'm hoping I can keep that up. I eat six times a day now, every three hours, and aside from a mild hypo there and there and a slight hyper on occasion, I'm relatively stable. Low carb, I love it. (I eat about 100 grams of carbs a day, max... Mostly I hover around 80 grams. I see people doing 30 here and I wonder how they don't spend their life in a coma. It really, really is different for everyone, isn't it?) After things evened out a little and there wasn't much fighting left to do, just get used to a new rythm, depression hit. I already have a clinical depression which I had more or less under control, but just when all seems fine, or at least, relatively fine, Diabetes pops up and knocks you over the head, you know? So I've made it a point to do things that make me feel happy, if only for a moment. So lots of visits to zoo's and the like. (I'm a catlover. And the Netherlands just recently got panda's. I'm in love, they're so fluffy!). Antidepressants aren't an option, as the side effects are too severe. (Tried them all, and those that don't give me 24/7 migraines make me go blind, so, yeah... Not an option.). Right now I'm just trying to keep going, all in all... Hopefully, when my thyroid gets back in lin eand the weather eases up, I'll be able to enjoy the summer some. I poured our calendar full with things to see and do, and while we'll probably scratch a whole bunch of them, it's good to have options, and there's a bird of prey workshop I'm really excited about coming up, stuff like that... So, you know... Just hanging in there, for the most part. I guess this is also the bit where it becomes noticable that I'm still at the "Hi, I'm my disease" point. When someone asks how I am I give them my numbers instead of the polite "Fine, and you" response, haha. But yeah, uh... Like I said, I'm Jo from the Netherlands, I'm 38 years old, married to Kornelis, my wonderful red-headed husband. We've got two cats, Night and Mouse, and we live in a little flat in Baarn. I adore animals, photography's a big hobby, as is reading and writing. I've blown through two eReaders already and am on my third, and our place is filled with books. I'm a nerd, I go to Comic Cons when possible. I don't have a job, as i'm not the healthiest person (Issues, I've got 'em!), so the journalism degree is going to waste, but somehow I manage to fill my days. People freak me out more often than not, so I don't leave the house unless someone I'm comfortable with is with me (Husband, mom, in-laws...), but all in all... I do believe life is worth living. And now I'm here. No idea how much I'll be around and how often I'll say something, but I thought it was high time I said hello. So. Hello. :)
 

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Hi @JoKalsbeek and welcome to the forum. Well done on reducing your HbA1c from 70 to 38 - it sounds lile you use the same HbA1c (IFCC) figures that we use in the UK. Below 42 is non-diabetic, 42-47 is pre-diabetic, 48 and above is diabetic. So you would now be in the non-diabetic range.
Good to see you are starting to take an active part in posting on the forum. It's always great to hear other peoples' stories, especially when they have succeeded in controlling their diabetes. I hope you will continue to participate. :)
 
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Hello Jo and welcome.
The reason that people who eat only a few carbs each day are not in a coma is that carbs are not a necessary part of the Human diet. They are not necessary for cats either, by the way.
 

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Hello Jo and welcome.
The reason that people who eat only a few carbs each day are not in a coma is that carbs are not a necessary part of the Human diet. They are not necessary for cats either, by the way.
I just notice that when I eat less carbs than I do now, my levels plummet. Any time I bring it up with a pro, I'm told T2's don't usually get hypo's, but I've had quite a few... Not deep enough to get knocked out, but I got the shakes, legs turned to rubber, sweats and I get rather irrational/combative when I'm at/around 3. Maybe it takes a fraction too long for ketosis to kick in or something, to start burning something else? Just find it odd... But then, nothing about me has ever been normal. ;)
 
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Hello @JoKalsbeek and Welcome to the Forum :). Tagging @daisy1 who will post on this Thread some useful information for you. Have a good read of it and ask any questions you might have.:)
 
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@JoKalsbeek Animals, photography, reading. The only thing missing is music ! Are you a music-lover ? Music (of whatever kind) has such a rich variety of moods that there's something for literally everyone. If I had to choose between music or no diabetes, I'd choose music.
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@JoKalsbeek Animals, photography, reading. The only thing missing is music ! Are you a music-lover ? Music (of whatever kind) has such a rich variety of moods that there's something for literally everyone. If I had to choose between music or no diabetes, I'd choose music.
Geoff
Music is pretty much a given, I figured... ;) It's hauled me through some dark times, and illustrated bright ones. I love to sing, probably much to my neighbour's chagrin, haha. Mostly classic rock (Alice Cooper!), singer-songwriter, folk, classical music, anything from Loreena McKennitt to Mike Oldfield, and well... There's a genre for everything, every event, every mood. Spotify's on constantly. Playlists specifically for fitness, destressing, reading, showering, gaming... Once I was in a zoo and I put The Token's The Lion Sleeps Tonight on for the heck of it. Was just me, Kornelis and the lions at that moment anyway. :) I look forward to Record Store Day every year, import special Alice Cooper editions from Japan and the US, as my husband is a collector, like me... Usually I go for the signed books, but I join in with a few artists as well. Hoping to see Uncle Alice this December. We have tickets, but last time I had a wound on my foot that wouldn't heal (at the time I didn't know why), so I missed out, couldn't stand on it and there was no seating. Hopefully it'll work out this time around. So yeah, music. I think I'd make the same choice. :)
 

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Thanks for the warm welcome, you guys. I really appreciate it. :)
 

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@JoKalsbeek

Hello Jo and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why
  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 
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Hi @JoKalsbeek. I loved your introduction. You can write, eh? My degrees are also going to waste (Classics and Law) and at 55 (two years post renal transplant...treatments for which then caused my diabetes) I reckon my future is largely on my backside at home, trying not to get too distracted by Spookie the insane cat as I try to get novels published but generally settle for the cathartic value. Did the bird of prey thing...that was really good. Anyway, diabetes changed things quite a bit but I am doing well with control and low carb diet. I found this site extremely helpful..as I am sure you will. Well done on your progress despite all the hurdles. Take care.
 
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Hi, I'm Jo, from the Netherlands. I've been reading threads here and there, but it wasn't until yesterday that I replied to someone for the first time. So I thought I'd better introduce myself and do things properly (for once. ;)). I was diagnosed T2 last year, at the ripe old age of 37, juuust when my (wonderful and supportive) GP was going on holiday. So I got a prescription from the replacement who hadn't even seen me, and that's basically when I decided, right.... So I'll do this by myself then! Technically speaking I did the diagnosis myself too... My liver was/is shot, and I wanted to know why. I didn't drink, so that wasn't it, cancer got ruled out after ultrasounds, an MRI and CT scan... And google was kind enough to provide me with a long list of other probable causes. One of them was diabetes, and since I was crossing off the list, and our cat is a T1, I thought, what the heck... I'll check with his meter. After which I was basically floored. The next day I stuck myself every hour to see what happened when I ate like I always did, and by noon I was crying my eyes out. I was too scared to eat anything at that point, everything seemed to be poison. While everyone, from the nurse to the dieticians and specialist seemed to be on holiday, and my doc's replacement put me on metformin (never left the loo for two weeks, so got gliclazide after that), I started reading. The US approach was "If you don't follow my diet, you'll die!", the Austrian approach was "You'll be fine, here's a diet. And by the way, you are now a bird", and the Dutch approach, well... "You can have a long happy life, see, there's happy people pictures in this book, you'll be fiiiine. Here's a few ideas on what you can do in the kitchen". Everything kept coming down to food! Okay...! That I can work with! I took what I could from every book and started putting together something that worked for me, because anything with milk will get my joints inflamed, and then there's a bunch of migraine triggers I need to steer clear from, and soy messes with my thyroid meds... You get the idea. I don't know the HbA1c numbers you guys use, but at last check mine were 38, which was thrilling, as I started out at 70... (My cholesterol's a lot better too, and my liver's slowly but surely recovering) Naturally, my thyroid is messed up right now so screwing up my happy little numbers, and this heat, oh... I'm all over the place; up, down, backwards... But I've been without medication since January, which was my initial goal. And I'm hoping I can keep that up. I eat six times a day now, every three hours, and aside from a mild hypo there and there and a slight hyper on occasion, I'm relatively stable. Low carb, I love it. (I eat about 100 grams of carbs a day, max... Mostly I hover around 80 grams. I see people doing 30 here and I wonder how they don't spend their life in a coma. It really, really is different for everyone, isn't it?) After things evened out a little and there wasn't much fighting left to do, just get used to a new rythm, depression hit. I already have a clinical depression which I had more or less under control, but just when all seems fine, or at least, relatively fine, Diabetes pops up and knocks you over the head, you know? So I've made it a point to do things that make me feel happy, if only for a moment. So lots of visits to zoo's and the like. (I'm a catlover. And the Netherlands just recently got panda's. I'm in love, they're so fluffy!). Antidepressants aren't an option, as the side effects are too severe. (Tried them all, and those that don't give me 24/7 migraines make me go blind, so, yeah... Not an option.). Right now I'm just trying to keep going, all in all... Hopefully, when my thyroid gets back in lin eand the weather eases up, I'll be able to enjoy the summer some. I poured our calendar full with things to see and do, and while we'll probably scratch a whole bunch of them, it's good to have options, and there's a bird of prey workshop I'm really excited about coming up, stuff like that... So, you know... Just hanging in there, for the most part. I guess this is also the bit where it becomes noticable that I'm still at the "Hi, I'm my disease" point. When someone asks how I am I give them my numbers instead of the polite "Fine, and you" response, haha. But yeah, uh... Like I said, I'm Jo from the Netherlands, I'm 38 years old, married to Kornelis, my wonderful red-headed husband. We've got two cats, Night and Mouse, and we live in a little flat in Baarn. I adore animals, photography's a big hobby, as is reading and writing. I've blown through two eReaders already and am on my third, and our place is filled with books. I'm a nerd, I go to Comic Cons when possible. I don't have a job, as i'm not the healthiest person (Issues, I've got 'em!), so the journalism degree is going to waste, but somehow I manage to fill my days. People freak me out more often than not, so I don't leave the house unless someone I'm comfortable with is with me (Husband, mom, in-laws...), but all in all... I do believe life is worth living. And now I'm here. No idea how much I'll be around and how often I'll say something, but I thought it was high time I said hello. So. Hello. :)
Hi @JoKalsbeek, welcome to the forum. Your Hb1ac results are excellent. Well done. Don't worry, we are here to assist. A proper diet suited to will take a little time to adjust but be patient.
 
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