Help..Getting bored with veg and dairy

[Resurgam]

So my pre-diabeties is personal to me? If we ate the same thing for a week and all tested before and after eating we could all get different readings? So what I need to do is work out what makes my blood sugar rise. I start a course on "how to not turn into a diabetic" om 12th September so I think I will be much more informed after it.

Well - eating foods which contain a lot of carbs is going to be the chief suspect - but the food, how it is prepared, the exercise you have done, if you ate recently or fasted and the carb content of your last meal - they all affect the numbers you would see on the meter before eating and two hours later

 

[frankbegbie]

I do get a bit worried when I see such emphatic claims - such as people who are controlling their diabetes by eating low carb have to cut out all fruit and vegetables.
Just to throw a fact into the mix - the fat from animals is not all saturated, by a long way. The total fat in chicken is fourteen percent, the saturated fat is four percent.
Eating a plantless diet is a real solution for some and it appears to be healthy - otherwise people who eat a diet composed entirely of proteins and fats would not survive. People who live in the far north and eat meat or fish for every meal survived for generations without carbs.
However - few people eat a zero carbs diet these days.
I would state emphatically that having settled on a diet which gives me normal readings I am perfectly content to go on eating according to Atkins for the rest of my life. I like the large quantities of low carb veges and fruits I can eat and still have normal readings.

Thanks for that I was getting suicidal after reading the above posts.

 

[derry60]

I struggle with a quick snack. I don't always want cheese ,nuts berries. I quite often don't bother with lunch as I am fed up with salads, eggs, so I skip lunch three or four times. A week because I feel it gives me more choice for dinner. Has anybody heard of the website sugarlite. Co. Uk? They have sugar and carb free and low foods on there, quite expensive but if only for one person the products will last longer. Worth a look

 

[Oldvatr]

You ask @phonic2k for proof of his claims, yet your claims are based on pro-carnist anecdotes. Just saying.

NO. This is grossly untrue, as you should know from the various threads posted on this site. There are multiple independent trial studies reported in those threads, that support what @bulkbiker is claiming, but the same most definitely does not hold for the WFPB claims being made here. I would put my trust in several peer reviewed RCT trials held in formal public archive over a Youtube video or Forks over Knives which are most certainly NOT independent of their proponents.

The OP is saying that they are becoming bored with the same thing over and over again in their diet. WFPB will restrict their choice even more, so how will this help them? IMHO WFPB is one of the most restrictive diets I have come across.

This is NOT a vegan vs animal murderer argument, it is a dislike of certain marketing strategies being aimed at a group of people for whom the product is IMO inappropriate. When someone has the ability to post some proper research findings so that we can validate the claims being made, then we might have sensible discussion. I tried to find this evidence, but have so far found Zilch

 

[Alexandra100]

I do get a bit worried when I see such emphatic claims - such as people who are controlling their diabetes by eating low carb have to cut out all fruit and vegetables.
Just to throw a fact into the mix - the fat from animals is not all saturated, by a long way. The total fat in chicken is fourteen percent, the saturated fat is four percent.
Eating a plantless diet is a real solution for some and it appears to be healthy - otherwise people who eat a diet composed entirely of proteins and fats would not survive. People who live in the far north and eat meat or fish for every meal survived for generations without carbs.
However - few people eat a zero carbs diet these days.
I would state emphatically that having settled on a diet which gives me normal readings I am perfectly content to go on eating according to Atkins for the rest of my life. I like the large quantities of low carb veges and fruits I can eat and still have normal readings.

I'd love to know which low carb fruits you find you can eat, and how many carbs a day you allow yourself. I am struggling to find a way to lower my bg without sacrificing almost all fruit, which is the food I love the most and find the most convenient.

 

[derry60]

I am fine with carrots providing they are the only carbs in the meal. I couldn't have them with peas or beans for example.

I have been doing this also..I will have broccoli, carrots, and cauliflower, meat

 

[Alexandra100]

No matter the path we take, full reversal not controlling via diet and/or medication should be our end game,or there is no point in my opinion. If zero carb diet ends up reversing your diabetes then go for it. I went initially for exercise myself, but we learn new things every day and animal fat is one of them for me.

Thanks for the warning but I don’t have to restrict my diet as I’ve officially reversed it...

Could you describe how you used exercise? Or maybe you have explained elsewhere? I'm very interested.

 

[Resurgam]

I'd love to know which low carb fruits you find you can eat, and how many carbs a day you allow yourself. I am struggling to find a way to lower my bg without sacrificing almost all fruit, which is the food I love the most and find the most convenient.

I have various frozen mixtures of fruits, I look for those lowest in carbs, and I eat them with cream, I also eat strawberries and grapes, but always in small amounts and normally as dessert after my evening meal. I do get melons from time to time but I find it difficult to eat small amounts of them. My maximum carbs on a normal day would be under 60 gm.

 

[Alexandra100]

Yes, I've covered here many times.

Exercise if done correctly is the best medicine to lower blood glucose and help lower and even reverse insulin resistance.

I've found exercising 1 hour after eating kept blood lower. 15-20 minutes fast walking should do it.
For me, I did HIIT(High Intensity Intermittent Training) exercise as it burns fat longer, as I wanted to remove the fat around my pancreas. Intermittent fast and fast running in the spot, squats, and press-ups. I got to a point can I could do 150 press-ups and 200 squats without any problem. Later, I started swimming, and going to the gym. It's important to do resistance training to prevent muscle loss, as rapid weight loss as I did, can results in muscle loss not just fat.

The result for me after months of hard work( as I've posted before here), was full reversal, and now have normal blood sugar, and even got a OGTT to double check.

I've just come back from a 5 weeks all include holiday, and had pizza, cake, pastry, etc.... and was 4.8mmol/l after getting back home from holiday yesterday , and 4.6mmol/l this morning. So all things are possible! It's not easy, and takes a lot of sacrifice and determination. I wish you all the best with your journey.

Thanks. When you say, "exercising 1 hour after eating" do you mean during the first hour after eating or to wait one hour after eating and then exercise?

 

[Alexandra100]

Exercise 1 hour after finishing eating, as that is normally around your peak blood glucose and ideal time exercise.

Also, any time you notice your blood is high, you can use exercise to lower it.

I wondered about exercising straight after eating in order to prevent some of the rise? Though it's jolly hard to leap up from one's dinner and straight out. Alternatively, isn't there a risk that exercising when one's bg is high might just raise it further???

 

[Bluetit1802]

I wondered about exercising straight after eating in order to prevent some of the rise? Though it's jolly hard to leap up from one's dinner and straight out.

and will probably give you indigestion!

 

[Alexandra100]

and will probably give you indigestion!

Indeed!

 

[Alexandra100]

I would never personally recommend exercising directly after eating, as your body will be busy with the food you’ve eaten, and can result in severe cramps, nausea and other problems. Also food does not digest immediately( unless you’re eating glucose) and take times and normally you will see peaks of around 1 hour after eating and sometimes longer.

I think perhaps we have in mind rather different levels of exercise! I wouldn't try to do my interval or weight training straight after a meal, but I had more in mind a recommended 10-15minute walk.
https://www.diabetesselfmanagement.com/blog/timing-exercise-for-maximum-blood-glucose-control/

 

[Pinkorchid]

Well I have been eating a low carb diet for around 6 weeks now. I really am starting to crave a potato..even if it is just a sweet potato. I have done the mashed cauliflower and Celeriac thing and now seem to be craving some rice, couscous or quinoa. I eat a variety of veg and eat dairy, meat etc but missing my grains : ( I have not given in though lol. Does anybody else get bored with their diet?

In a word ...yes... I do get bored with cauliflower and celeriac as a substitute for real potatoes there is no substitute for real potato mash on cottage or fish pies for me and I miss baked jacket ones Although I was never a big bread eater I still miss being able to have a lovely French stick or a nice roll when I fancy it...I hate the Lidl rolls ... I do eat things like couscous lentils and barley sometimes but I have never liked rice

 

[derry60]

I would try going for a walk to burn up the excess glucose from the high carb meal. If you are able, fast walking 10-15 minutes should do it. Exercise will also help your body use insulin much better, and help reverse insulin resistance. Also exercise has long lasting effects, even after your next meal. Exercise is a power medication to help reverse pre-diabetes and type 2.

Was your reply for me? Only I do not eat high Carbs only 20 grams of carbs a day

 

[derry60]

Yes, I've noticed you're pre-diabetic not diabetic, so you have a much higher change of reversing by just adding exercise before or after meals to help with your insulin resistance, that can lead to full reversal not controlled, as I successfully did.

May I ask why you are restricting yourself to 20gs of carbohydrate par day when you not(or may never be) Type 2 diabetic?

One it seems to be the only way that I can lose weight and for the first time in years, I have lost weight. It seems even when I eat a few Carbs, rice, bread, potatoes etc I cannot lose any weight. 2 I am worried about becoming diabetic. Many on here who are pre-diabetic have chosen a very low carb diet. Wondering if I ate a potato or had some rice whether my sugar will go up, but I know it would cause me to gain weight

 

[bulkbiker]

20g is not low carb but a ketogenic diet. I've never done that, due to the health risks,

What health risks do you think there may be in a ketogenic diet please?

Because you've been lower than 120g per day, your after meal blood sugars will go up higher than it would have before

Really? mine don't why would you think that?

So don't go and do a OGTT or the result will be much higher.

I did one last week while still on a keto way of eating and would have "passed" as normal.

Your statements all sound very assured.. are you so sure you are correct in everything you say?

 

[ickihun]

Sorry disagree.. there are a couple of studies that show an "association" and loads of pro-vegetarian and pro-vegan sites that make this claim with no proof. If you want to eat a plant based diet then go for it .. just be aware of how many ex-vegans seem to populate the zero carb world where no plant based food is eaten and claim far greater health benefits.. just saying..

@bulkbiker I've just seen this thread.
My IR has dramatically improved since I've reduced my fat. Saturated fat the most. I'm not hugely low-fat but don't buy cheese, cream or nuts anymore. I rely on a low carb pizza occasionally and nutty treats every other month, money allowing.
I've been told by diabetic unit my insulin is in keeping with the norm and my hba1c is now at last 48 and lowering.
This is all months before my bariatric surgery date.
I'm losing on average 2lb per week.
I was shocked at my hba1c but knew something good when weight loss is consistant and using dramatically less insulin to control my 4s 5s and 6s. Something just changed. Fat removal is only dietary change. Mostly chicken skin, bacon rind, cheese, nuts and cream no longer eaten.
Have you tried reducing yours to see if any weight loss?

 

[ickihun]

I wondered about exercising straight after eating in order to prevent some of the rise? Though it's jolly hard to leap up from one's dinner and straight out. Alternatively, isn't there a risk that exercising when one's bg is high might just raise it further???

Mine does.

 

[ickihun]

What health risks do you think there may be in a ketogenic diet please?

Really? mine don't why would you think that?

I did one last week while still on a keto way of eating and would have "passed" as normal.

Your statements all sound very assured.. are you so sure you are correct in everything you say?

Could it not be just the fact, everyone is different?
The human body is a science but not all male bodies work the same. Women's neither.
I respect specialists but even dr bernstein didnt know everything and agrees he's still learning. As us all.