Help needed T2 not sure what to do ???

Lesley666

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So basically I've had T2 for approx 3 wks , I've been taking metformin for 3 wks , this wk up to 4 = 1000mg ,
I haven't a clue no one has told me what to do , what to eat , the only reason I found out was I'm having bariatric surgery " hopefully this year and did a number blood test ,
I went to my own doctor who gave me metformin I said what do I eat , bascialy I was told to try cut down " what's does that mean eat 2 mars bars instead of 3 "
I've had to look on line but still haven't a clue ,
Do I need to self test
What do I eat
How do I keep well
Or do I just take my tablets and hope for the best ,
Feeling bit stressed hopefully u kind people can help sort me out !!!!
 

Ann1982

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Welcome to the forum. I will @daisy1 who can provide a lot of info for newcomers. My est advice would be to try the LCHF diet as many here do. I have lost 1 stone in 10 weeks. My blood sugar .Hba1c has come down from 60 to 50 after trying this. The diet doctor has plenty of info and so does this site. Have a look around and ask any questions. Nothing is daft. Try not to be overwhelmed I know it can be a shock but look at it as if you have been given a second chance. You might not even need the surgery but we are not doctors so follow their advice.
 
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azure

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Welcome @Lesley666 :)

What would a normal days food look like for you at the moment? And what were your blood test results?
 

Lesley666

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I don't know what LCHF diet is I know I'm supposed not to eat lots of sugar and carbs is this right ??
I'm not sure what the hba1c really mean is it the lower the number the better ??
And do I do a test or not bother !!!
Thank you
 

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Do I need to self test
What do I eat
How do I keep well
Or do I just take my tablets and hope for the best ,
Feeling bit stressed hopefully u kind people can help sort me out !!!!

LCHF is low carb with higher fat

Yes, you do need to self test. This is essential so you need to buy a meter and plenty of test strips. This is the best way to learn which foods you can eat and in what quantities.

No, you definitely do not just take the tablets and hope for the best. Diet is the key, not Metformin.

You keep well by eating a suitable diet, attending your nurse appointments, foot checks and retinal eye screening..

You can eat anything that is low in carbohydrate. (sugar is just another carb) We also need to be careful with fruit and milk.

Many members here use the Codefree meter or the Tee2 meter. These have the cheapest strips. If you go to a shop and buy any old meter you will pay a fortune for the strips.

Try here for the Codefree meter
http://homehealth-uk.com/product-category/blood-glucose/blood-glucose-monitor/
and here for the extra strips
http://homehealth-uk.com/all-products/sd-codefree-test-strips-to-be-used-only-with-the-sd-monitor/
Pharmacies don't sell them. There are discount codes if you buy in bulk and don’t forget to check the box that you have diabetes so you can buy VAT free.
5 packs 264086
10 packs 975833

The Tee2 is here
http://spirit-healthcare.co.uk/product/tee2-blood-glucose-meter/

What to eat?
Have a look here
https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/60-seconds

Basically it is meat, fish, green veggies, salads, tomatoes, mushrooms, eggs, cheese and all dairy, olive oil, avocado, nuts in moderation, berries and lots more. What you need to reduce or eliminate are potatoes, rice, bread, pasta, breakfast cereals including porridge, and flour.

Have a good read round the forums and ask as many questions as you like.
 
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Lesley666

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Welcome @Lesley666 :)

What would a normal days food look like for you at the moment? And what were your blood test results?

Today I've eaten 3 rvita with butter and tuna and plain yogurt tiny bit honey , I feel sick all the time , but when I eat probably an hour later I've got hunger pangs , I'm on a strict diet but all I know is how to lose weight not what I should eat with T2
I've only had one test which was 58 no one had told me what to do
 

Resurgam

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You really should not eat sugar and starches - they make you fat and hungry, basically.
I have been on strict diets in the past and they did nothing but make me feel really bad and get to the point of collapse through malnutrition.
I'd advise that you forget the strict diet and the highly dangerous bariatric surgery which could kill you - lower your blood glucose levels to normal by eating low carb foods - don't be afraid of eating the natural fats which come with meat and fish (as oil) - when I first started off and tried to eat just 20 gm of carb a day I lost half a stone in three days, so it is very effective, and when I checked with my meter, after diagnosis, all the things which stopped weightloss also raised my glucose levels.
It is a sad fact that all the 'healthy' diets pushed so hard for so long, low fat and low calorie, just do not work. even if they are successful, they can't be sustained, but if you eat low carb and (by today's standards) high fat, you can go on for as long as you like. If that also normalises your blood glucose levels without any effort, I don't see that your doctor can complain about it.
Do you need to have bariatric surgery for some reason other than your doctor's advice?
 
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azure

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Today I've eaten 3 rvita with butter and tuna and plain yogurt tiny bit honey , I feel sick all the time , but when I eat probably an hour later I've got hunger pangs , I'm on a strict diet but all I know is how to lose weight not what I should eat with T2
I've only had one test which was 58 no one had told me what to do

Here's a page that explains about HbA1C:

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/what-is-hba1c.html

Your level is in the diabetic range but not awful. Many people have a higher level at diagnosis.

If you look at the bottom of this post, you'll see a link to the Low Carb Program run by this site and used by a number of Type 2s.

I also recommend buying your own meter as then you can see if your sickness is caused by high sugar or something else. You can also see how what you eat affects it.
 
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azure

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Today I've eaten 3 rvita with butter and tuna and plain yogurt tiny bit honey , I feel sick all the time , but when I eat probably an hour later I've got hunger pangs , I'm on a strict diet but all I know is how to lose weight not what I should eat with T2
I've only had one test which was 58 no one had told me what to do

Here's a page that explains about HbA1C:

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/what-is-hba1c.html

Your level is in the diabetic range but not awful. Many people have a higher level at diagnosis.

If you look at the bottom of this post, you'll see a link to the Low Carb Program run by this site and used by a number of Type 2s.

I also recommend buying your own meter as then you can see if your sickness is caused by high sugar or something else. You can also see how what you eat affects it.
 
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Lesley666

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You really should not eat sugar and starches - they make you fat and hungry, basically.
I have been on strict diets in the past and they did nothing but make me feel really bad and get to the point of collapse through malnutrition.
I'd advise that you forget the strict diet and the highly dangerous bariatric surgery which could kill you - lower your blood glucose levels to normal by eating low carb foods - don't be afraid of eating the natural fats which come with meat and fish (as oil) - when I first started off and tried to eat just 20 gm of carb a day I lost half a stone in three days, so it is very effective, and when I checked with my meter, after diagnosis, all the things which stopped weightloss also raised my glucose levels.
It is a sad fact that all the 'healthy' diets pushed so hard for so long, low fat and low calorie, just do not work. even if they are successful, they can't be sustained, but if you eat low carb and (by today's standards) high fat, you can go on for as long as you like. If that also normalises your blood glucose levels without any effort, I don't see that your doctor can complain about it.
Do you need to have bariatric surgery for some reason other than your doctor's advice?

I'm really over weight have been on off all my life , I can lose weight easily but put back on just as easily , I'm sick of up and down weight loss , with surgery hopefully I will be able maintain it , if I decided go through it as it's a hole new way of life
 

Resurgam

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Maintaining weight with low carb foods is the easy option as far as I am concerned, a long slow drop gradually getting slower until you are stable is the way Atkins works - if you have ever tried that approach you might think back to how easy it might be to follow that way of eating.
As soon as I can sort out the diabetes I will be pushing for more weightloss than the 18lb I lost after diagnosis, - it is just another thing to factor in.
I was overweight right from being a baby - my parents used to feed me sugary drinks to keep me quiet at night. I looked like the Michelin tyre man.
 
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I'm really over weight have been on off all my life , I can lose weight easily but put back on just as easily , I'm sick of up and down weight loss , with surgery hopefully I will be able maintain it , if I decided go through it as it's a hole new way of life

One of the problems with losing weight easily is people put the weight back on as soon as the diet is over with. With the low carb/higher fat way of eating, it isn't a diet. It is just a new way of eating and as a diabetic, it is for life, not a few months. Most of us have lost a pile of weight by cutting the carbs. There is absolutely no need to be hungry. Not eating enough of anything makes you hungry. Eating too many carbs makes you hungry. Eating extra fats such as dairy, eggs, olive oil, avocado etc will fill you up. Fat is what satiates us, not carbs. If you can lose weight easily, you will lose weight on low carb, and once in the swing of things you will enjoy your food so much you won't ever want to stop this way of eating. Please don't be afraid of it. Give it a try.

As @azure mentioned, the low carb diet plan at https://www.diabetes.co.uk/lowcarb/ has been so successful that it has won awards. It is free to join and I urge you to register and have a go.
 
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TallLeeds

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So basically I've had T2 for approx 3 wks , I've been taking metformin for 3 wks , this wk up to 4 = 1000mg ,
I haven't a clue no one has told me what to do , what to eat , the only reason I found out was I'm having bariatric surgery " hopefully this year and did a number blood test ,
I went to my own doctor who gave me metformin I said what do I eat , bascialy I was told to try cut down " what's does that mean eat 2 mars bars instead of 3 "
I've had to look on line but still haven't a clue ,
Do I need to self test
What do I eat
How do I keep well
Or do I just take my tablets and hope for the best ,
Feeling bit stressed hopefully u kind people can help sort me out !!!!
Hi Lesley666...really? Anyway..you are very lucky to have this support group because 6 monthsago when I was diagnosed there was nothing and exactly the same indeterminate, rubbish advice...keep eating the same stuff..just cut down!...Rubbish! I found and followed the American equivalent of this new site and followed their advice. It works! I am now a non diabetic..strictly speaking, once T2 sufferer, always a T2 type. However..if you STICK to the diet plan it WORKS!
Don't try fooling yourself that just for one day or just this one time I'll have that Mars bar or whatever it is....it will still do you the harm you know about. The T2 diet is easy to follow..very tasty...it allows loads of butter and olive oil to cook with..it's easy to find Low Carb High Fatr recipes with a bit of research....and don't Panic...you are fine...and now in control. It's an easy routine to follow...but if you have children or other family members living with you it could be a a strain cooking several meal types a day. However, the options are....take no action and continue to take drugs which WILL shorten your Life.....or..take up this option of healthy eating...and live a long, drug free healthy life. SIMPLE.
Please ask questions of myself and others who have done this as I know from experience that everyone is very happy to pass on their helpdul advice. Once again though, don't cheat because you'll stay ill....overweight and unhappy. Good luck.
 

TallLeeds

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One of the problems with losing weight easily is people put the weight back on as soon as the diet is over with. With the low carb/higher fat way of eating, it isn't a diet. It is just a new way of eating and as a diabetic, it is for life, not a few months. Most of us have lost a pile of weight by cutting the carbs. There is absolutely no need to be hungry. Not eating enough of anything makes you hungry. Eating too many carbs makes you hungry. Eating extra fats such as dairy, eggs, olive oil, avocado etc will fill you up. Fat is what satiates us, not carbs. If you can lose weight easily, you will lose weight on low carb, and once in the swing of things you will enjoy your food so much you won't ever want to stop this way of eating. Please don't be afraid of it. Give it a try.

As @azure mentioned, the low carb diet plan at https://www.diabetes.co.uk/lowcarb/ has been so successful that it has won awards. It is free to join and I urge you to register and have a go.
Well said. I did the same thing and am now 'non-diabetic' after just three months of dietary change and metformin.
 
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TallLeeds

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I'm really over weight have been on off all my life , I can lose weight easily but put back on just as easily , I'm sick of up and down weight loss , with surgery hopefully I will be able maintain it , if I decided go through it as it's a hole new way of life
You only gain the weight again because you go back to thefoods which gave you the problem in the first place. Seriously, empty the cupboards and start again. Expensive to begin with I know...but thereafter....Easy..
 
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@Lesley666

Hello Lesley and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask questions when you need to and someone will help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why
  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 

TooManyCrisps

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Hi Lesley

Don't despair. I was diagnosed last year with a test result of 97 so much higher than yours. I've really worked at the LCHF diet and my latest reading was 37 so very different! I'm not on any medication.

There is loads of advice snd information on this forum. I found it invaluable. What also helped me hugely was buying z meter and testing before and after meals to find out what pushed my BS levels up.

Good luck