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Discussion in 'Greetings and Introductions' started by NeuroticNikki, Nov 1, 2017.

  1. NeuroticNikki

    NeuroticNikki Family member · Newbie

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    My husband was diagnosed in June with type 2 diabetes. We were told he has to lose weight, we knew this, we are both obese, but we are struggling with find nice recipes.

    I tried many diabetes websites and tried 10-15 recipes, but they are all tasteless! My husband is a fussy eater, no fish, nothing hot, no pulses, no kale, no kidney beans, the list goes on!

    Does anyone have any ideas as we are slipping off the wagon BADLY!!
     
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  2. Bluetit1802

    Bluetit1802 Type 2 · Oracle

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    Hi and welcome,

    Please have a look at this website
    https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/60-seconds

    There are some lovely recipes, all low in carbohydrate (which is the key to all this) and a lot of information on the types of food to eat and not eat.

    Before you dive in, perhaps you would tell us which diabetes medications he is taking as this can affect matters.
     
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  3. NeuroticNikki

    NeuroticNikki Family member · Newbie

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    Ah! Yes, metformin, 500mg, 2 in the morning and 2 at night.
     
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    pavlosn Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    How Nikki

    Welcome to our forum

    I am tagging @daisy1 who will soon be along with the very useful information about managing diabetes that is handed out to the newly diagnosed/new members.

    Once you read this you will see that choice of diet is not just a means of losing weight (which if overweight has a beneficial health effect in its own right) but in the case of type 2 diabetics the main means of controlling our glucose levels. Most of us find that to control our levels we have to limit our carbohydrate intake to a lesser or greater degree. Carbohydrate rich food that should be restricted or even eliminated include bread, cereals, pasta, rice, potatoes and sugar.

    To know how much we need to restrict carb consumption we regularly test our glucose levels before and two hours after each meal.

    Managing diabetes is about managing glucose levels down to a normal range that minimizes the risk of diabetic health complications. Regular blood glucose testing and monitoring and restricting carb consumption. Taking medication and losing weight help but are usually not enough on their own.

    You have already been provided with a link to low carb recipes. Review these and see what what might appeal.
     
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    Jenniewren1958 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Hi have a look at the LCHF program, I’ve just had steak mushrooms tomato & celeriac chips. Bg 5.1 before meal & 5.3 after 2hrs
     
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    Bluetit1802 Type 2 · Oracle

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    OK that is fine. Metformin is a safe drug and very mild. So ... diet is the key to blood sugar control and as a bonus - weight loss.

    Has he thought about a very low calorie diet, such as a version of the Newcastle Diet? This involves 800 calories a day for 8 weeks, and has been tried by several people on this forum. Would he be interested in as little as 800 calories a day? If so, I can tag some members that have done it/are still doing it, to explain what is involved. @Chook @Fleegle @Peerless67

    I will also tag @daisy1 who has some very useful information for newcomers.
     
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    Grateful Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    When he was diagnosed in June, your husband would have had a blood test called the HbA1C. It is also possible that he has had a second HbA1C test since then, to see whether the Metformin and diet are having the desired effect.

    Now, I realise this is personal information but if he is OK with it, can you share those numbers? We all "fall off the wagon" with our diets from time to time, and those blood tests are one way to "quantify" how well (or badly) things are going. Forum members can give plenty of advice even without the numbers, but they may be helpful.
     
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    Liam1955 Type 2 · Master

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    Chook Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Hello and welcome to the forum :)

    As @Bluetit1802 mentioned in her post, I have recently finished the Newcastle Diet (devised by Prof. Roy Taylor and colleagues of Newcastle University) which is a very low calorie diet for a fixed period of time - between 8 and 20 weeks depending on how much weight you need to lose. The idea behind it is to get rid of the visceral fat clogging up your pancreas and liver so they start working normally (sounds awful doesn't it?)

    Basically the Newcastle Diet can be done either with 3 meal replacement shakes a day plus 200 calories worth of above ground veg or it can be done with 800 calories of real food a day - which is the way I did it. I lost 21lbs and 4 inches off my waist. Other people have done much better than me.

    There are loads of threads on this forum from people who have done the ND or are still doing it and everyone is very supportive.

    Please let me know if you would like some more information. Here are a couple of links:

    The first is to the information page:
    https://www.diabetes.org.uk/Researc...Scotland/The-DiRECT-route-to-Type-2-remission

    And the second is to the protocol which is an information guide for doctors but there is some interesting information on it - especially on page 5.
    http://www.ncl.ac.uk/media/wwwnclacuk/newcastlemagneticresonancecentre/files/direct-protocol.pdf

    Hope this helps :)
     
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    daisy1 Type 2 · Guru
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    @NeuroticNikki

    Hello Nikki and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful and will give you ideas. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will be able to help.


    BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

    Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

    A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 250,000 people who are demonstrating this.

    On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

    The role of carbohydrate

    Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

    If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

    The bad news

    Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

    The good news

    People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

    Controlling your carbs

    The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

    There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
    • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
    • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
    Reduce your carbohydrates

    A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

    The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

    Choosing better carbohydrates

    The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

    Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

    Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

    Eating what works for you

    Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

    To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

    The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

    Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
    • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
    • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
    Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
    • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
    • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
    Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
    • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
    • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
    However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

    Access to blood glucose test strips

    The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

    • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
    • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

    Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

    You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

    Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

    Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
    • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why
    • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
     
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