Hypoglykemie and insulin resistance

[Flair]

Hai

I am insulin resistance I do intermitting fasting eat 2 a day fast for 18 hours every day. Before did eat 6 times a day but this did make insulin resistance worse.

I always dip at 16.00 I eat at 11 to my meter so I know that my insulin is okay.

My question is why do I dip at that hour and my glucose is good. I eat ch what I eat for ir and do now the fasting so what does happen. I mean it is no a reaction to many carbs or food?? Does any body know this. It drops to 3.4 and I do not feel okay.

Can does go away?

 

[Lamont D]

Hi,
Welcome to our forum,

I think that you have mixed insulin resistance with insulin response.

If you eat regularly at that same time each day, then your blood levels will drop at more or less the same time.

Find out which foods do this is the way to avoid making insulin response.
It is usually high in carbohydrates or sugar which turns to glucose quickly.
Eating six meals does stop the low numbers you say, but you will still produce the insulin because of the glucose you get from your food.

Fasting is good, no insulin, eating good fresh protein and vegetables (except starchy vegetables such as potatoes) will lower your insulin and stop the low blood levels.

Keep asking questions, finding answers is learning from us who have good control of the condition.

Best wishes.

 

[Lamont D]

Insulin resistance is because the insulin you produce doesn't always interact with the cells to convert the glucose into energy. It stays in your blood until it remains in your organs as fat, such as your liver. This fat makes you have a fatty liver. I use to have NAFL (non alcoholic fatty liver) it causes liver function to be unhealthy.
Insulin resistance builds up in your body and because it doesn't interact, your pancreas produces more as a first insulin response, then because of the insulin isn't enough it has a secondary insulin response. These responses cause fluctuations in your blood levels. This is what causes the symptoms. If you have high circulating insulin, high insulin resistance and high than normal blood glucose levels, then that will cause more symptoms.
To break this cycle you have to find which foods create the insulin response to your glucose from the food. If you find that chicken doesn't push your glucose levels up, then your initial insulin response does happen, the second insulin response doesn't happen, less insulin in your blood, lower blood levels. Less symptoms.
So eating the foods that don't spike you and produce only small amounts of insulin, your insulin resistance becomes better, less going to fat in your body.

In short, no hyper (spike) no insulin, better insulin resistance and lower blood levels.
No low blood levels either (hypo)

Eat to your meter.

Find out which foods you should avoid by testing and using your food diary and make sensible food choices.

Hope that helps.

Best wishes

 

[Flair]

Hi,
Welcome to our forum,

I think that you have mixed insulin resistance with insulin response.

If you eat regularly at that same time each day, then your blood levels will drop at more or less the same time.

Find out which foods do this is the way to avoid making insulin response.
It is usually high in carbohydrates or sugar which turns to glucose quickly.
Eating six meals does stop the low numbers you say, but you will still produce the insulin because of the glucose you get from your food.

Fasting is good, no insulin, eating good fresh protein and vegetables (except starchy vegetables such as potatoes) will lower your insulin and stop the low blood levels.

Keep asking questions, finding answers is learning from us who have good control of the condition.

Best wishes.

Thanks but what I mean to say it not a reaction to the carbs. I do eat and keep thw glucose low. But I still have a dip a 4? Can I be something else?

 

[Flair]

I did read something about glucagon? Or being low in pottasium. I also have this 1 a day. It s strange at the same time.

 

[Resurgam]

I had a similar but slightly earlier response to lowering my carb intake and eating meals close together - I found that it went away if I spaced out my meals more, eating earlier and later - I only eat twice. Also eating a small amount of carbs with my first meal - non or too many was not good at all.
I think it was just a stage I was going through, but I used to get the same thing in my later teens and early twenties, but it was just brushed off as doing too much - not something which I could have been accused of earlier this year when it started happening again.

 

[ickihun]

I did read something about glucagon? Or being low in pottasium. I also have this 1 a day. It s strange at the same time.

I believe if low on potassium you get racing heart beat but hypos do that too to compensate for not enough sugar going to the brain.
What is your understanding of glucagon?

 

[Lamont D]

I did read something about glucagon? Or being low in pottasium. I also have this 1 a day. It s strange at the same time.

If you have a day very similar each day then your body will dip around that time, it is your body asking you to have something to replenish something that is missing, wether it be potassium or just water, you do need extra salt when low carbing.

Because of my pancreas overshooting, my glucagon, glucose balance is not quite right. So my endocrinologist tested a drug that changes this and slows the process of the conversion to glucose. This test was not as complete as my endocrinologist wanted but my spike is now so low if I did eat something that would impact on my blood levels. Only meds can change the glucagon balance.
You can use supplements but which one? I don't know!

Best wishes

 

[ickihun]

Were you low carbing @Lamont D when you carried out these tests? Ideally you should have just ate normally for tests to show the full picture. Could that have made the difference?
I know a lot to ask but only way these specialists see the full picture and grade against existing literature for them to use as comparisons.

 

[Lamont D]

Were you low carbing @Lamont D when you carried out these tests? Ideally you should have just ate normally for tests to show the full picture. Could that have made the difference?
I know a lot to ask but only way these specialists see the full picture and grade against existing literature for them to use as comparisons.

Yes, I was low carb and there was no stipulation to eat ‘normal ‘ because normal for me is low carb. Eating carbs would skew the test results. All my eOGTTs were fasting tests.
The idea behind a eOGTT is to check the progress of how my body and especially my pancreas reacts to glucose. My fasting blood glucose levels were normal despite having high insulin and high insulin resistance. My endocrinologist knew I was intolerant before any of my tests, the first three were for diagnosis and to eliminate other pancreatic conditions.
MY endo wanted to know why my first insulin response and the need for a secondary overshoot and the timings of the spike and at what stage I went hypo.
The graph of the progress was quite distinct and unusual. He was interested in the speed of the hyper and anybody other than RH ers. We have one direct spike.
Then the drop and how quickly and how low I went into Hypoglycaemia.
Of course blood were taken frequently.
BY the timing of the third, the weight had dropped and my insulin and insulin resistance levels were normal. But the graph did not altérât all despite ring healthier.
The direct link between how my body reacts to those foods that I am intolerant to and my health has my determination of to be swayed, these foods are not good for me wether high or low GI or trigger an insulin response that is out of control.
My last three eOGTTs were because of trials for the meds I’m on to reduce the spike, but, I still spike which means I hypo if I don’t keep control. A sort of insurance that means that I won’t suffer the hypo hell again if by accident I eat or drink something that I shouldn’t.
Thanks for your interest.
I do know you know that after bariatric surgery, a few find that symptoms of RH do occur and can go through some tough times until they find out what food can be the cause of the symptoms.
You have had it rough @ickihun , maybe and hopefully the surgery will make your life more positive and healthy.

Best wishes

 

[ickihun]

Yes, I was low carb and there was no stipulation to eat ‘normal ‘ because normal for me is low carb. Eating carbs would skew the test results. All my eOGTTs were fasting tests.
The idea behind a eOGTT is to check the progress of how my body and especially my pancreas reacts to glucose. My fasting blood glucose levels were normal despite having high insulin and high insulin resistance. My endocrinologist knew I was intolerant before any of my tests, the first three were for diagnosis and to eliminate other pancreatic conditions.
MY endo wanted to know why my first insulin response and the need for a secondary overshoot and the timings of the spike and at what stage I went hypo.
The graph of the progress was quite distinct and unusual. He was interested in the speed of the hyper and anybody other than RH ers. We have one direct spike.
Then the drop and how quickly and how low I went into Hypoglycaemia.
Of course blood were taken frequently.
BY the timing of the third, the weight had dropped and my insulin and insulin resistance levels were normal. But the graph did not altérât all despite ring healthier.
The direct link between how my body reacts to those foods that I am intolerant to and my health has my determination of to be swayed, these foods are not good for me wether high or low GI or trigger an insulin response that is out of control.
My last three eOGTTs were because of trials for the meds I’m on to reduce the spike, but, I still spike which means I hypo if I don’t keep control. A sort of insurance that means that I won’t suffer the hypo hell again if by accident I eat or drink something that I shouldn’t.
Thanks for your interest.
I do know you know that after bariatric surgery, a few find that symptoms of RH do occur and can go through some tough times until they find out what food can be the cause of the symptoms.
You have had it rough @ickihun , maybe and hopefully the surgery will make your life more positive and healthy.

Best wishes

I'm very interested in RH as I think it holds answers to a lot of diabetic management difficulties. I'm delighted you are at last getting good professional help.
Its fascinating, don't you think? How your body reacts to food and enzymes made to help with digestion which are removed in bariatric surgery. Maybe the key is in the large intestine rather than the stomach or gut?
I had old fashioned surgery on burst appendix so the mop up was extensive too, luckily. Only one ovary was effected from corrosion after bursting.
I've always suspected pcos from hormone imbalance from op and not IR. But now looks like pcos would have been worse if 2nd ovary wasn't damaged by burst appendix.
I love finding out new medical gems. You?
It's fasinating how RH actually happens. Like you say happening to some bariatric patients. I guess more to the carb filled ratio portions. To liquidize protein and not too much veg with a hint of carb basics will be a lot harder than carb filled soups and smoothies.
Your life experience has taught me to be wary of carbs. Yours alone. Going forward to bariatric surgery where RH can be induced by accident.
You've made a huge difference in my life and I will pass it on when I get talking to more future patients.

 

[Lamont D]

From my extensive research stalking about certain aspects of RH with my endo.
A thing inside your digestive system called the gut brain trigger and your gut biota has a huge effect on how your hormones interact with the food you eat.
How does gluten intolerance work or happen? Peanut allergy? Lactose intolerance ? The chemiser is in your gut which sends signals to your brain then onto your organs or glands to produce whichever hormone is necessary and more importantly which quantities the produce .
Discovery is brilliant especially when you get that eureka moment! When you finally get the message that the stuff that is supposed to be healthy, is t! And you get the buzz that what you are doing is working and you get the compliments and your energy returns, being healthy at my age is such a bonus!
Passing on information to those who ask and having people praise you is wonderful.
I know that my endo saved my life, how can I not help pass that on! It’s the reason why I stick around because I was once there!

Best wishes

 

[Flair]

Hai

I did a New lab test after 5 months I did a diet and eat to my meter my fasting insulin did go up. I am worried now what can I do. Why does my insulin not lower. Can any body help don t know what to do any more. .

 

[Lamont D]

As insulin rise slowly, it does take years to produce insulin resistance to get to the stage of diabetes.
So in my experience, it took a few months for my insulin levels to drop to normal, and I was eating no carbs as much as possible.
What was your diet?

Hai

I did a New lab test after 5 months I did a diet and eat to my meter my fasting insulin did go up. I am worried now what can I do. Why does my insulin not lower. Can any body help don t know what to do any more. .

Sometimes low carb diet can still be triggering the insulin.
Be patient it does take time to get your balance of the food you can eat!
Do give us your daily food and if possible the pre meal and two hours after.

Best wishes

 

[Flair]

Hai

As low carb did not work for me I Got bigger. So I switch to intermitting fasting eat 2 a day. Whole foods lot of veggies. And try to stay below 7.8 more like 7.
This does not show in the result it even Got higher. I did read intermitting fasting does help Quick with ir. My diets is now almost 6 months glucose is now 5.2 it was 5.1 and hbac1 31 was 32....not much different and I do work hard for it.

 

[Flair]

Hai

As low carb did not work for me I Got bigger. So I switch to intermitting fasting eat 2 a day. Whole foods lot of veggies. And try to stay below 7.8 more like 7.
This does not show in the result it even Got higher. I did read intermitting fasting does help Quick with ir. My diets is now almost 6 months glucose is now 5.2 it was 5.1 and hbac1 31 was 32....not much different and I do work hard for it.

You say it can take time but it did go up from 16 to 20 is that normal? And is 5 months not a lot of time.

 

[Flair]

You say it can take time but it did go up from 16 to 20 is that normal? I eat lentils chickpeas vegtables. Lentils pasta etc. So its not high in carbs. And is 5 months not a lot of time.

 

[Lamont D]

Hai

As low carb did not work for me I Got bigger. So I switch to intermitting fasting eat 2 a day. Whole foods lot of veggies. And try to stay below 7.8 more like 7.
This does not show in the result it even Got higher. I did read intermitting fasting does help Quick with ir. My diets is now almost 6 months glucose is now 5.2 it was 5.1 and hbac1 31 was 32....not much different and I do work hard for it.

I can only tell you of my experience, I do a lot of intermittent fasting, for me, it is to reduce my background insulin which all of us have as nature intended, it is that initial response that delivers which hormones to what you have eaten.
You could be like me, and avoid all carbs as it is possible.
As I've already stated, that even some low GI, low carb foods can trigger too much insulin.
What whole foods and vegetables are you eating?
I have had to change my dietary intake completely!
Some 'healthy' foods are not healthy for me.
I have also had to change my view of how food has an impact on your health.

Have you had a definitive diagnosis as to why you don't spike glucose levels?

Do you have Hypoglycaemic episodes?

I know of two rare conditions that have all the symptoms you describe but don't have the actual blood glucose levels to give you the diagnosis for actual diagnosis!

One that springs to mind is idiopathic postprandrial syndrome.
The other is a condition where your blood glucose levels flatline after eating.
You produce the insulin but it is automatically balanced by the glucose.
You could have insulin resistance with both of these conditions.

In the end, only experimenting with food will give you the answers you need.

 

[Flair]

I do eat fiber foods as I read that is important so all vegatables and quinoa Spelt just meat no diary. Not hing processed no fruit. Just eating twice only drinken water walkie 10000 steps minium a day.

How can I know if I have those rare condition? What are there names and how can I now with food. It looks like most every body does has succes with food and diet and I do not. Nothings works I am stuck.and I only have the forum for help. My endocrinoloog Said Come Back when you get high glucose so when it to late.

 

[Flair]

I do eat fiber foods as I read that is important so all vegatables and quinoa Spelt just meat no diary. Not hing processed no fruit. Just eating twice only drinken water walkie 10000 steps minium a day.

How can I know if I have those rare condition? What are there names and how can I now with food. It looks like most every body does has succes with food and diet and I do not. Nothings works I am stuck.and I only have the forum for help. My endocrinoloog Said Come Back when you get high glucose so when it to late.

yes i have hypo episode always at 16.00 does not seems to ne connected with the carbs. It goes like 3.2. I feel dizzy .