I was Type 1 all along

Lord Midas

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Type1 needs a balanced food to injected insulin. Where as Type2s need carbs to circulating insulin and excess stored glucose (mainly in the liver).
Do you agree @Lord Midas ?

I personally think that no diabetic should take carbs. The reason a diabetic needs to take insulin is due to a rise in blood sugar. The rise in bs comes primarily from carbs, and to a small degree excess protein. Why we diabetics are encouraged to eat the very thing that makes us sick, and thus take meds, is a staggering betrayal of trust by the medical authorities.

And so we take matters into our own hands I have found that reducing my carbs to as little as I possibly can (without counting, and this includes green veggies), eating a high fat diet (lots of butter, cheese and fatty meats) and moderate protein (just what's in the above) i have a much better control of my bs.

The Keto diet, and the resulting Keto Adaption, works wonders for T2 (though monitoring bs levels is very important). But for T1 you must be diligent. If you are in ketosis and the ketone levels go high as well as high bs, then that can be dangerous. But if monitored well then there is no reason a T1 cannot also go into ketosis.

This results in amazing bs control, fat loss, other metabolic issues go away, reduction in med requirements for T1, reversal of T2. The list of issues being in nutritional ketosis can remedy is long and impressive.

I am desperately trying to stay in ketosis, though for me my main challenge is the Dawn Phenomenon which requires insulin (and insulin is the very hormone that stores body fat and prevents the release of fat from cells). I do believe it will take longer than normal peeps and those with T2, but I'll get there
 

Bon83

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Hi everyone, been away for a while due to getting fixed up after a recurring spinal injury came back to haunt me! :oldman:

Many on the forums said I should ask for my records to see what my numbers and diabetic history shows

When I joined the forums I said I went from a Type 2 to a Type 1. Most said this couldn't be true, as diabetes doesn't work like that. So, I went to the hospital doc (I see a new doc now) and asked her to explain why they said I'd become a Type 1.

Turns out that at the beginning my local doc said I had become a T2. I was put on metformin and gliclazide. Within a year these were no longer cutting it and I went onto supplementing the tablets with Humalog injections. It wasn't long after that I went off the tablets and went fully insulin dependent, adding basal Lantus.

I was then seeing a hospital specialist doctor. And through regular visits, he had made many notes. About 2 years ago I had a special test done. This tests the c-peptide protein amount and amount of anti-bodies. The results show I had almost 0 c-pep and a huge amount of anti-bodies.

My new docs said by looking through the notes the old doc had his suspicions that I was always a T1 and never a T2. This new test finally proved that I was indeed a Type 1 from the very beginning.

And thus my questions have been answered and I can confidently say I'm a Type 1 Diabetic. Which sucks, as I'll never be able to reverse it with a ketogenic diet. Though at least this will allow me to control my BS much much better.
Very similar thing happened to me I was diagnosed with gestational diabetes but my numbers were very high and I had to use insulin. After the birth I did go back to pre diabetic bg readings - a diabetic consultant at the hospital wrote to my gp and said I needed a annual fasting hba1c test (old school). When it came back high he said to me I was type 2 - he had the balls to actually say that the consultant had suggested type 1 but he didn't think so I was too old @ 29. I got about a year till nk tablets worked my bg was never below 20 and I felt dire! I never questioned the doctors opinion - I didn't want to be type 1 (rightly or wrongly?) I did get a year without insulin but I ate very sparingly during that time. I feel a lot better now but type 1 can be really inconvenient
 

Lord Midas

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p.s. again: I seriously think everyone should read the following books. The clarity you will have surrounding the food we eat, the lies we've been told (resulting in the rise of diabetes and obesity), and how to help ourselves is astounding.

Good Calories, Bad Calories - Gary Taubes (a thorough, in-depth meticulously researched book about the science (both good and bad) around how we became a high carb eating society and the resulting diabetic/obesity crisis)

How We Get Fat And What To Do About It - Gary Taubes (a newer, less technical, read in the same vein as good calories, bad calories)

These are essential reads

And two more eye opening books. Ready to read and hugely insightful:

The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Performance - Stephen Phinney and Jeff Volek (what about low carb and exercise? It's here. they also did one called the art and science of low carbohydrate living which I'm reading next)

Keto Clarity - Jimmy Moore and Eric Westman (Ketogenic diet and ask you could know by the man with the most popular health bluff on the planet. He was also 410lb before losing 180lb on a Keto diet )

Try these and be wise to the lies (or ignorance) of our doctors
 

Lord Midas

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Thanks for the share @Bon83. Bloody sucks eh. But really glad to hear you're doing much better.

Hey @azure, even though my meds and my routine haven't changed knowing for sure is actually liberating. I'll be in the type 1 forum from now on
 
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CherryAA

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I think I have mentioned elsewhere being part of a Prof Tim Noakes study into the effects of LCHF on T2 diabetics. when the results came back, it showed 2 outliers of 29 . ie only 2 of the group were not responding as expected and still had both high blood sugars and high insulin needs.

One of those individuals has since been re-diagnosed as T1 one month after the study ended .

I had already written to them suggesting that they look into Type B insulin resistance as well as it was my thought that if 27 of 29 people respond in exactly the same way to the same disease, then there is just as much chance that the other 2 do not have exactly the same disease as there is that those 2 happen to have the very same disease but respond totally differently to the treatment.

Many diagnoses for T2 are overly simplistic - you are overweight you have T2. Type B is " very rare" but who had even heard of it to be tested? T1 can come in late forms.

I think anyone who finds that LCHF of under 30g per day does NOT bring down blood sugars drastically, should look very carefully at the possibility that they do not have T2 but instead have some other variation including Type B insulin resistance which is another auto immune disease or T1.
 

Bon83

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p.s. again: I seriously think everyone should read the following books. The clarity you will have surrounding the food we eat, the lies we've been told (resulting in the rise of diabetes and obesity), and how to help ourselves is astounding.

Good Calories, Bad Calories - Gary Taubes (a thorough, in-depth meticulously researched book about the science (both good and bad) around how we became a high carb eating society and the resulting diabetic/obesity crisis)

How We Get Fat And What To Do About It - Gary Taubes (a newer, less technical, read in the same vein as good calories, bad calories)

These are essential reads

And two more eye opening books. Ready to read and hugely insightful:

The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Performance - Stephen Phinney and Jeff Volek (what about low carb and exercise? It's here. they also did one called the art and science of low carbohydrate living which I'm reading next)

Keto Clarity - Jimmy Moore and Eric Westman (Ketogenic diet and ask you could know by the man with the most popular health bluff on the planet. He was also 410lb before losing 180lb on a Keto diet )

Try these and be wise to the lies (or ignorance) of our doctors
Thanks for the heads up - I like a new view and reading material. I'm still working through a few other books at the mo but good to know!
 

James1968

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Are you due to see your diabetes team for a review?

Yes I am due a review at the end of the month I think, I need to get this sorted as I am going on holiday in nov for 3 weeks, still have all the signs when diagnosed dry mouth lethargic can't be bothered to do anything and everything is an effort
 

Lord Midas

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Forgot to mention still have the sweats and dizzy turns as well
Hi James, if you are still suffering symptoms then definitely get to the docs.
Measure your bs regularly, and if they are constantly high then you probably need more insulin. Get your basal dose right and the bolus will sort itself out for good times. The background dude is the one you need to get right.
I take 32 units of Lantus. When trying Keto I've tried halving that amount... didn't work out as well as I'd hoped
 

James1968

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Hi James, if you are still suffering symptoms then definitely get to the docs.
Measure your bs regularly, and if they are constantly high then you probably need more insulin. Get your basal dose right and the bolus will sort itself out for good times. The background dude is the one you need to get right.
I take 32 units of Lantus. When trying Keto I've tried halving that amount... didn't work out as well as I'd hoped

Not on insulin, just metformin 2000 mg and gliclazide 160 mg
 

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I personally think that no diabetic should take carbs. The reason a diabetic needs to take insulin is due to a rise in blood sugar. The rise in bs comes primarily from carbs, and to a small degree excess protein. Why we diabetics are encouraged to eat the very thing that makes us sick, and thus take meds, is a staggering betrayal of trust by the medical authorities.

And so we take matters into our own hands I have found that reducing my carbs to as little as I possibly can (without counting, and this includes green veggies), eating a high fat diet (lots of butter, cheese and fatty meats) and moderate protein (just what's in the above) i have a much better control of my bs.

The Keto diet, and the resulting Keto Adaption, works wonders for T2 (though monitoring bs levels is very important). But for T1 you must be diligent. If you are in ketosis and the ketone levels go high as well as high bs, then that can be dangerous. But if monitored well then there is no reason a T1 cannot also go into ketosis.

This results in amazing bs control, fat loss, other metabolic issues go away, reduction in med requirements for T1, reversal of T2. The list of issues being in nutritional ketosis can remedy is long and impressive.

I am desperately trying to stay in ketosis, though for me my main challenge is the Dawn Phenomenon which requires insulin (and insulin is the very hormone that stores body fat and prevents the release of fat from cells). I do believe it will take longer than normal peeps and those with T2, but I'll get there
Have you explored the magic of a liver block, before bed to postpone dawn phenomenon til lunch or later? (A fatty protein normally does it.)
 

ickihun

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Forgot to mention still have the sweats and dizzy turns as well
I still need metformin for pcos but it does support insulin nicely, if you do end up on insulin James.
I've never felt more clearer minded, than I am when on insulin. Without insulin I'm too tired to think or even try. Hopefully they can settle your management back down. Are you having horrific carb cravings like I was too?
 

James1968

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I still need metformin for pcos but it does support insulin nicely, if you do end up on insulin James.
I've never felt more clearer minded, than I am when on insulin. Without insulin I'm too tired to think or even try. Hopefully they can settle your management back down. Are you having horrific carb cravings like I was too?

Yes I am craving carbs all the time
I think I have lots of questions for my GP now
 

Lord Midas

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Have you explored the magic of a liver block, before bed to postpone dawn phenomenon til lunch or later? (A fatty protein normally does it.)
I have. Though a lot of the time I forget. However, this morning is good. I made the lunches for us last night and scoffed a small amount of ham whilst doing so. Last night before bed my bs was 5.6 and this morning it is 5.2. woo