LCHF diet and new blood test results

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But then as Zand says, I am increasingly reading that low cholesterol can actually be worse for you than high cholesterol.

I think you have to make a choice.
Decide if cholesterol is going to be a worry to you, then if it is, set a target.
Eat to achieve, (or medicate) that target.

Or choose to let it go to whatever level it finds for itself.

You can find numerous studies on the internet to prove or disprove anything.
 

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http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Goodfood/Pages/fish-shellfish.aspx#oily

Which fish are oily fish?
These fish are all oily fish, and so are good sources of long-chain omega-3:

  • tuna (fresh)

  • Canned tuna does not count as oily fish. Fresh tuna is an oily fish, but when it is canned the amount of long-chain omega-3 fatty acids is reduced to levels similar to those in other fish.
Hi Bluetit, think it's one of those confusing things and as I have been eating tuna for many years (Canned) I had to follow this up, sorry.

See this link seems to explain why in some canned tuna's they do lose their fatty acids but with spring water and the higher quality Tuna's there are preserved. Link below is an interesting read..........

http://whfoods.org/genpage.php?tname=george&dbid=97

Off to lunch now, may have a canned tuna sandwich! ;)

Neil
 
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But then as Zand says, I am increasingly reading that low cholesterol can actually be worse for you than high cholesterol.

But how low is low? Best to be somewhere in the middle in my opinion, and are we talking total cholesterol or each individual lipid? As far as I have read, our triglycerides should be as low as possible.
 

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I watched one of those videos that Jack put up a link to on Youtube. One link didn't work. Sorry I am not the brightest spark but got confused anyway by the video.
 

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But how low is low? Best to be somewhere in the middle in my opinion, and are we talking total cholesterol or each individual lipid? As far as I have read, our triglycerides should be as low as possible.

I don't know. I am trying to work out what my trigs are because I wasn't given a figure.
 

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I don't know. I am trying to work out what my trigs are because I wasn't given a figure.

Perhaps you should ring up this afternoon and ask? The receptionist may tell you over the phone, or may put you on to a nurse, but either way you could do with knowing.
 

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Perhaps you should ring up this afternoon and ask? The receptionist may tell you over the phone, or may put you on to a nurse, but either way you could do with knowing.

That's what I did this morning. She read what was on the screen she said. I saw three figures at a glance yesterday - 4. something and two 1. somethings so it was 1. something LOL.
 

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is your Dr is happy enough with your cholesterol?
she gave you more fat to eat, so she don't seem to go with the old school fat is bad for cholesterol
there is a lot of reading and watching, to get your head around it :)

I don't know. I am trying to work out what my trigs are because I wasn't given a figure.
I used this online calculator that you put the known numbers in and it calculates the missing one to get your triglycerides
http://www.hughcalc.org/chol-si.php
 

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I think you have to make a choice.
Decide if cholesterol is going to be a worry to you, then if it is, set a target.
Eat to achieve, (or medicate) that target.

Or choose to let it go to whatever level it finds for itself.

You can find numerous studies on the internet to prove or disprove anything.

I don't know if I should be worried, that's the point. I put myself on a LCHF diet, and my cholesterol has always been quite good before that - in the low 5's. The nurse who gave me my test results yesterday said it was to be expected if I have raised fats in my diet but she said the figures didn't worry her. Trouble is she is reknowned for being a bit slow on the uptake for diabetics. She told my diabetic Type 2 friends to have a piece of cake whenever she faniced and that she could eat any bread, pasta etc as long as it was wholemeal/wheat. My friend has just gone from bad to worse and her BG is in the eighties! She also has damaged kidneys and eye problems.
 

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is your Dr is happy enough with your cholesterol?
she gave you more fat to eat, so she don't seem to go with the old school fat is bad for cholesterol
there is a lot of reading and watching, to get your head around it :)


I used this online calculator that you put the known numbers in and it calculates the missing one to get your triglycerides
http://www.hughcalc.org/chol-si.php
Yes sorry Jack, I realise now. You told me earlier. Alarmed still that it says high risk and then follows it up with all pretty good or normal. Is the high risk bit supposed to be what we expect to hear from medical people and the other bit below it where mine says good - what this guy believes is the truth?
Isn't the LDL the one we should be most worried about?

The doc has had nothing to do with my diet and I saw a nurse for the results (actually the diabetic nurse) not the doctor.
 

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I would stick to the NHS website, an use their guidelines.

But, for the time being cholesterol isn't really going to be an issue, re-reading your thread.
Your diet obviously works with regard to your kidneys, and BG, but you are still losing weight, and you don't seem to overly like the food.
So I would guess you will address that first, and then when you have found a diet you can maintain on, that's the time to look at cholesterol, as no doubt it will have changed somewhat again.
 

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But how low is low? Best to be somewhere in the middle in my opinion, and are we talking total cholesterol or each individual lipid? As far as I have read, our triglycerides should be as low as possible.
This is a good point. I know someone whose cholesterol was high but statins were awful for him. He was lethargic all the time and had dreadful muscle pains. In the end his doctor agreed that he should stop taking statins. His total cholesterol was 12.0. So we also need to decide where the middle is too. I agree about the trigs though.

I agree with Douglas that dealing with the unwanted weight loss and finding more food that you like are your priorities right now.
 
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I would stick to the NHS website, an use their guidelines.

But, for the time being cholesterol isn't really going to be an issue, re-reading your thread.
Your diet obviously works with regard to your kidneys, and BG, but you are still losing weight, and you don't seem to overly like the food.
So I would guess you will address that first, and then when you have found a diet you can maintain on, that's the time to look at cholesterol, as no doubt it will have changed somewhat again.

Thanks :) I can't do much to change the foods. As the doc once said to me I am damned if I do and damned if I don't. I weighed 9.5 stones just before my pre-diabetic test result of 44. That was less than a year ago - about 9 or 10 months. Now go between 7st 4 and 7 stone 6 most weeks. I took up LCHF. I eat coconut oil, extra virgin olive oil, butter and full fat Greek yoghurt ( I don't like cream). I eat nuts and seeds. I eat oily fish several times a week ( and put up with the way it aggravates my acid). I honestly don't know what else I can do. One thing I haven't mentioned is that I have fibromyalgia and suspected Chronic Fatigue Syndrome so spend a lot of my time housebound. I do not get a lot of exercise, and of course don't want to exercise too much anyway because I am trying to put on weight.
 

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Thanks :) I can't do much to change the foods. As the doc once said to me I am damned if I do and damned if I don't. I weighed 9.5 stones just before my pre-diabetic test result of 44. That was less than a year ago - about 9 or 10 months. Now go between 7st 4 and 7 stone 6 most weeks. I took up LCHF. I eat coconut oil, extra virgin olive oil, butter and full fat Greek yoghurt ( I don't like cream). I eat nuts and seeds. I eat oily fish several times a week ( and put up with the way it aggravates my acid). I honestly don't know what else I can do. One thing I haven't mentioned is that I have fibromyalgia and suspected Chronic Fatigue Syndrome so spend a lot of my time housebound. I do not get a lot of exercise, and of course don't want to exercise too much anyway because I am trying to put on weight.



I don't LCHF myself, but there are lot's of interesting recipes on here, and lot's of advice available.
 
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Yes sorry Jack, I realise now. You told me earlier. Alarmed still that it says high risk and then follows it up with all pretty good or normal. Is the high risk bit supposed to be what we expect to hear from medical people and the other bit below it where mine says good - what this guy believes is the truth?
Isn't the LDL the one we should be most worried about?

The doc has had nothing to do with my diet and I saw a nurse for the results (actually the diabetic nurse) not the doctor.
as I said, knowledge is power, I put up the results for you to see, I thought you had already talked about your cholesterol with your DR
I guess the ratios are the recommended ones, you can google the maths to work them out.
your ratios seem very good, some say the triglyceride and HDL is the important ratio
 

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Thanks :) I can't do much to change the foods. As the doc once said to me I am damned if I do and damned if I don't. I weighed 9.5 stones just before my pre-diabetic test result of 44. That was less than a year ago - about 9 or 10 months. Now go between 7st 4 and 7 stone 6 most weeks. I took up LCHF. I eat coconut oil, extra virgin olive oil, butter and full fat Greek yoghurt ( I don't like cream). I eat nuts and seeds. I eat oily fish several times a week ( and put up with the way it aggravates my acid). I honestly don't know what else I can do. One thing I haven't mentioned is that I have fibromyalgia and suspected Chronic Fatigue Syndrome so spend a lot of my time housebound. I do not get a lot of exercise, and of course don't want to exercise too much anyway because I am trying to put on weight.

Is it more than just coincidence that many people who are either prediabetic (including myself) or diabetic suffer with fibromyalgia or, like myself, polymyalgia?
 

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Is it more than just coincidence that many people who are either prediabetic (including myself) or diabetic suffer with fibromyalgia or, like myself, polymyalgia?

Could be. All this prediabetes came at the same time as it was suspected I have CFS. I am still waiting to see a specialist for firm diagnosis. No one in my family can remember anyone in our family going back many years who had diabetes. I was not overweight at 5ft 4 and 9.5 stones, in fact I had worked up to that weight over the two years since my kidney cancer - now I have lost it all again and frankly it's quite depressing in itself. I look like a skeleton without clothes and hate getting bathed now as I don't like to see my body! It's affected my marriage too on my side. I feel that this year has been hell on the health front. I spend most of my days in pain and exhausted anyway without all this other business. Sometimes I want to eat a huge piece of chocolate cake, a whole pizza to myself and put two fingers up to sugar levels.

I have had fibromyalgia diagnosed about 11 years ago.
 

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Could be. All this prediabetes came at the same time as it was suspected I have CFS. I am still waiting to see a specialist for firm diagnosis. No one in my family can remember anyone in our family going back many years who had diabetes. I was not overweight at 5ft 4 and 9.5 stones, in fact I had worked up to that weight over the two years since my kidney cancer - now I have lost it all again and frankly it's quite depressing in itself. I look like a skeleton without clothes and hate getting bathed now as I don't like to see my body! It's affected my marriage too on my side. I feel that this year has been hell on the health front. I spend most of my days in pain and exhausted anyway without all this other business. Sometimes I want to eat a huge piece of chocolate cake, a whole pizza to myself and put two fingers up to sugar levels.

I have had fibromyalgia diagnosed about 11 years ago.
As a matter of interest, how many calories are you consuming on an average day? I know you are eating fats and so on, but you haven't given us any indication of quantities.
 

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As a matter of interest, how many calories are you consuming on an average day? I know you are eating fats and so on, but you haven't given us any indication of quantities.
Well that's debatable. When my BG went down to 37 my dietician told me to increase my carbs a bit as I could afford to - that's when the second slice of Burgen came into play. I used to keep a check on calories but she said to stop being hung up on it all. She actually is convinced that my pre-diabetic diagnosis was a one off result of me being ill physically and going through an awful lot of stress since my cancer. She said she wouldn't be surprised if it all went back to normal once my physical and mental health has improved. I reckon I probably eat around 1500 calories a day at best. Some days probably as low as 1200. I am eating snacks in between meals too.
 

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Could be. All this prediabetes came at the same time as it was suspected I have CFS. I am still waiting to see a specialist for firm diagnosis. No one in my family can remember anyone in our family going back many years who had diabetes. I was not overweight at 5ft 4 and 9.5 stones, in fact I had worked up to that weight over the two years since my kidney cancer - now I have lost it all again and frankly it's quite depressing in itself. I look like a skeleton without clothes and hate getting bathed now as I don't like to see my body! It's affected my marriage too on my side. I feel that this year has been hell on the health front. I spend most of my days in pain and exhausted anyway without all this other business. Sometimes I want to eat a huge piece of chocolate cake, a whole pizza to myself and put two fingers up to sugar levels.

I have had fibromyalgia diagnosed about 11 years ago.

Similar story here. Difficult year. Full knee replacement in June which has been really traumatic. Knee number two next March. Doctor wanted a blood test to check my inflammation markers for polymyalgia. I knew result was going to be high as I felt so rough, but the shock was being diagnosed with prediabetes (44mmol). Came out of the blue as no family history and I weighed 9 stone. Had been on steroids for 6.5 years and this could be a contributory factor.

Once knee number two is sorted I plan on getting a second opinion re polymyalgia. Sick of feeling like I have been hit my a truck. Steroids make me feel like a new person, but the side -effects have taken their toll healthwise.