LCHF - how many grams of carbs per day?

[jon200]

Hi,

I'm just about to start on the LCHF diet and was wondering how many grams of carbs i should be having per day as a maximum.

Someone told me soup was a good thing to have, but just checking the tin and there are 16g per half can, which doesn't sound too good.

Thanks
Jon

 

[jack412]

I think they mean home made soup, tin schite will kill you
what are your BG readings? prediabetic is a lot different to a1c 10%
do you have a meter and strips? most have to buy their own, codefree sd are the cheapest
you eat to your meter, it tells you what you can and cant eat
testing
http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14045524.php
diet
http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf it’s a long page and a video
http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/lowcarbliving/a/Food-Cravings.htm
http://diabeticmediterraneandiet.com/low-carb-mediterranean-diet/
http://www.lowcarbdietitian.com/blog/carbohydrate-restriction-an-option-for-diabetes-management
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/

 

[jon200]

I've got a codefree meter on order, so should have it in a couple of days. From the results of the last blood tests, my fasting BG was 7.2.

Need to lose quite a bit of weight.

 

[jack412]

ok, 7.2 fasting isn't that bad, you may have been on real coke and chips back then
you could look at the Newcastle diet and go hardcore for 8 weeks and have an ~80% chance of remission

LCHF is a slower way, but you need to kick the carbs, they are the problem and they don't give up easy
I'll post this again, the first week isn't nice
http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/lowcarbliving/a/Food-Cravings.htm

 

[Bluetit1802]

Hello Jon,

How many carbs a day is up to you. We are all consuming different amounts. The fewer the better, but it is often kinder to your body to reduce them slowly using your meter to guide you. I can only say what I did. I started with 126g a day. That didn't work too well so I reduced them to 96g. and that also didn't work as well as I would have liked, so I reduced them to 60 to 65g and that level is perfect for me. It may not be for you. Doing it slowly like that I didn't get any of the "carb flu" some people get, and felt well throughout. I also lost a lot of weight gradually - no more than 2lbs a week.

Some people cut right down to 30g a day or less. Some people are happy at 150g a day. There are no set rules, but you must use your meter and this will help you reach a suitable amount for your body.

 

[douglas99]

I think they mean home made soup, tin schite will kill you
what are your BG readings? prediabetic is a lot different to a1c 10%
do you have a meter and strips? most have to buy their own, codefree sd are the cheapest
you eat to your meter, it tells you what you can and cant eat
testing
http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14045524.php
diet
http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf it’s a long page and a video
http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/lowcarbliving/a/Food-Cravings.htm
http://diabeticmediterraneandiet.com/low-carb-mediterranean-diet/
http://www.lowcarbdietitian.com/blog/carbohydrate-restriction-an-option-for-diabetes-management
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/

Ironically, the only soup related fatality I could find was caused by preparing fresh snake soup.

'A chef preparing a dish from cobra flesh died when the snake's head bit him - 20 minutes AFTER it was cut off.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/chef-cooking-snake-dies-after-4088634#

 

[AndBreathe]

ok, 7.2 fasting isn't that bad, you may have been on real coke and chips back then
you could look at the Newcastle diet and go hardcore for 8 weeks and have an ~80% chance of remission

LCHF is a slower way, but you need to kick the carbs, they are the problem and they don't give up easy
I'll post this again, the first week isn't nice
http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/lowcarbliving/a/Food-Cravings.htm

Jack - Where did you find the ~80% figure? I have never knowingly read any such numbers, but I'd love to see it.

 

[AndBreathe]

Hi,

I'm just about to start on the LCHF diet and was wondering how many grams of carbs i should be having per day as a maximum.

Someone told me soup was a good thing to have, but just checking the tin and there are 16g per half can, which doesn't sound too good.

Thanks
Jon

The amount of carbs you settle on a day is a matter of personal preference, and how your body reacts to more or fewer carbs, so it's a case of keeping a food diary and testing for a while.

I use myfitnesspal to record my food intake (although you do need to check some of the nutritional values on the web), and after a few days it gets to be pretty quick. If you try to back-fill a few days from your pre-diagnosis meals you'll get an idea of your historic carb intake and that might help inform you of where you might want to set your personal target.

 

[msmi1970]

hi jon,

i started about 7 weeks ago. the first week was hell. i had terrible headaches, constant nausea, gas & diarrhea. i could not eat or even look at food. the only thing that would stay down was really salty corned beef (from a can).

things calmed down after 4 days and by day 7 i was alright. trick is to just plough through. i currently have less than 10gms carbs per day purely from veggies. my FBG has stayed at or around 6 for the last 4-5 weeks. that is what keeps me wanting to go on. have also lost about 15lbs.

so good luck and hope it works for you.

 

[jack412]

Jack - Where did you find the ~80% figure? I have never knowingly read any such numbers, but I'd love to see it.

in the Newcastle diet report off of the newcastle uni site, I understated it, I think it was higher than 80%
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/
it's similar to gut surgery, though india are getting about 60%, probably because they leave it too long, it should be done within a few years, while there are beta cells left, that is the yes or no

 

[AndBreathe]

in the Newcastle diet report off of the newcastle uni site, I understated it, I think it was higher than 80%
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/
it's similar to gut surgery, though india are getting about 60%, probably because they leave it too long, it should be done within a few years, while there are beta cells left, that is the yes or no

Do you have the link to that. I'm still not finding it. Of course, I may be in the wrong place.

 

[jack412]

there were 11 in the original trial and from memory they had better than 80%, It's is there somewhere about how many went into remission
gut surgery has 80%, that is there somewhere
this has more people as a self reporting after the trial and had upto 80% groups
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/documents/CounterpointReflections.pdf

 

[AndBreathe]

there were 11 in the original trial and from memory they had better than 80%, It's is there somewhere about how many went into remission

gut surgery has 80%, that is there somewhere
this has more people as a self reporting after the trial and had upto 80% groups
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/documents/CounterpointReflections.pdf

Jack - I suggest if you want to quote percentages, it would only be fair to the reader to have checked the numbers. I quote:

Under the heading, "Results":
"......... Diabetes reversal was considered to have occurred in 61% of the population...........

"........ Reversal of diabetes was observed in 80% of those with > 20 kg weight loss, 63% of those with weight loss 10–20 kg and in 53% of those with < 10 kg weight loss.

As you state, this particular paper uses self-reporting by the participants. I couldn't find anything in there quoting percentages for bariatric surgery.

 

[jack412]

if you want to call me out on it, I will bother to look it up. if it's just that you can't find it, isn't my problem, from my memory they got nearly all of the 11 into remission and was better than they were getting with 80% gut surgery. tell me how many you found in the result of the initial trial of 11 that went into remission?

 

[AndBreathe]

if you want to call me out on it, I will bother to look it up. if it's just that you can't find it, isn't my problem, from my memory they got nearly all of the 11 into remission and was better than they were getting with 80% gut surgery. tell me how many you found in the result of the initial trial of 11 that went into remission?

Jack - I couldn't recall having read 80% anywhere. I politely asked for your source. You provided your source. I don't have to justify anything. You're the one making bold statements of fact.

 

[jack412]

Jack - I couldn't recall having read 80% anywhere. I politely asked for your source. You provided your source. I don't have to justify anything. You're the one making bold statements of fact.

it wasn't that hard to find from the main page with the links I gave you, did you really try to look? I had to do the same as you would to find it again..open the link and read it
it is obvious to you now that as intended, I under-quoted the Newcastle diet result saying 80%, when it was 100%

as I said I think they got better than the 80% gut surgery that I understated. they say they got 100%
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/about/news/item/low-calorie-diets-for-type-2-diabetes-assessed-copy
This will be the largest single research project Diabetes UK has ever funded in its 79-year history. It follows a study from 2011 that found that 11 people with Type 2 diabetes who spent eight weeks on a low-calorie liquid diet all saw their insulin production return to normal and their Type 2 diabetes put into remission. These findings backed up anecdotal reports and results from bariatric surgery to raise the prospect of transforming the way Type 2 diabetes is treated.

http://www.diabetes.org.uk/DiRECT
Surgical operations, such as gastric banding and gastric bypass, are potential solutions because they lead to dramatic weight loss, which can put Type 2 diabetes into remission for up to 80% of patients. Such treatments; however, are expensive, invasive and carry a risk of surgical complications, all of which mean they can only be offered as a last resort to people who are dangerously obese.

 

[AndBreathe]

it wasn't that hard to find, although you had to open another link for the 80%, did you really try to look? I had to do the same as you would to find it again
it is obvious to you now that as intended, I under-quoted the Newcastle diet result saying 80%, when it was 100%

as I said I think they got better than the 80% gut surgery that I understated. they say they got 100%
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/about/news/item/low-calorie-diets-for-type-2-diabetes-assessed-copy
This will be the largest single research project Diabetes UK has ever funded in its 79-year history. It follows a study from 2011 that found that 11 people with Type 2 diabetes who spent eight weeks on a low-calorie liquid diet all saw their insulin production return to normal and their Type 2 diabetes put into remission. These findings backed up anecdotal reports and results from bariatric surgery to raise the prospect of transforming the way Type 2 diabetes is treated.

http://www.diabetes.org.uk/DiRECT
Surgical operations, such as gastric banding and gastric bypass, are potential solutions because they lead to dramatic weight loss, which can put Type 2 diabetes into remission for up to 80% of patients. Such treatments; however, are expensive, invasive and carry a risk of surgical complications, all of which mean they can only be offered as a last resort to people who are dangerously obese.

Thank you. I will read the links in the morning. It's getting on a bit here.

But, there's no need to be rude and aggressive. I asked, politely, for your sources, as I couldn't recall numbers like you quote, and you come out attacking.

 

[jack412]

Thank you. I will read the links in the morning. It's getting on a bit here.

But, there's no need to be rude and aggressive. I asked, politely, for your sources, as I couldn't recall numbers like you quote, and you come out attacking.

no, you called me out on it, even when I gave you the Newcastle site, which is very frustrating
I didn't make a strong claim, I told OP to look it up and an indicative 'about' ~80%
"you could look at the Newcastle diet and go hardcore for 8 weeks and have an ~80% chance of remission"

 

[Spiker]

@jack412, @AndBreathe, thanks to both of you for getting the accurate data out for all to see. I'm sure we all appreciate both of you for your helpfulness and accuracy. Both of you are exceptionally helpful to others and also excellent and fair with your data and your sourcing. Thank you both very much.

 

[jon200]

Thanks everyone for your input and thanks Jack for the links and information, i haven't been online since yesterday so looks like i missed all the fun and games!