My dad's in denial.

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If it's of any help, exercise will bring blood sugar down as a short-term measure, and more exercise is always going to be good. But as others have said, not getting the sugars up in the first place would be even better. Good luck!
 

JUNE56

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Being diagnosed with diabetes is really scary. I was diagnosed in November 2014 and was in denial until about 6 weeks ago. I also suffer from severe depression so my GP tried the softly softly approach. It wasn't until my practice nurse turned tough, explained that I could go blind, lose a leg, or destroy my kidneys that I sat back and listened. I am now waiting to go on our local type 2 course 'spotlight'. Maybe your Dad needs a bit of tough talking from a medical professional, or time to come to terms with his diagnosis. Having to make big changes to the way you live is hard to accept sometimes, and denial is part of the grieving process that we go through when we can't do the things we used to. Sorry Ive rambled on but I can emphasise with how he feels.
 
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You dear dad is in denial @salamander and it is quite common for this to happen. He has enough on his plate and now one more condition to add to the mix is enough to make anyone bury their head in the sand.

I would give him some space and let him take it all in before you start telling him what he must do. Nobody likes to be confronted about things, least of all someone who is having a hard time. He must be wondering what is going to happen next.

Gentle hints will work much better than dictating the way forward.
http://www.diabetesexplained.com/the-five-stages-of-grief.html

You could offer to go to his G.P. with him but I doubt he will allow this. I expect he is a proud man and is coping the only way that he knows how.

After cancer it is not uncommon for people to be very tired and so a gentle walk gradually building up to something a bit more strenuous is advisable. If he is taking blood thinners following his P.E., i.e. Warfarin) then there are dietary restrictions he must adhere to.

I will tag @daisy1 to provide you with some basic information that will prove helpful and perhaps you could print it off and leave it where he can see it. He might surprise you and read it and then he will have a better understanding of management.

(((((hugs))))) to both you.
 
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daisy1

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@Samalander

Hello and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find this useful to help your dad. Good idea to leave this around for him to see as mentioned by another member. Lots of advice here and I hope this is going to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 

Star47

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Just a thought would a different blood test kit help? It's not always easy and never pleasant to test blood a chore sometimes, perhaps something a bit techi? My son uses Accu Check mobile no test strips needed and pen is clipped to side of test monitor and you don't need to put needles in, it has a cassette which holds 6 needles you attach to pen, it just makes life easier, also if he tests his arm instead of finger ends he doesn't have to wash his hands each time and hurts a lot less, which all might be a bit more encouraging to test more
 

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Just a thought would a different blood test kit help? It's not always easy and never pleasant to test blood a chore sometimes, perhaps something a bit techi? My son uses Accu Check mobile no test strips needed and pen is clipped to side of test monitor and you don't need to put needles in, it has a cassette which holds 6 needles you attach to pen, it just makes life easier, also if he tests his arm instead of finger ends he doesn't have to wash his hands each time and hurts a lot less, which all might be a bit more encouraging to test more
That sounds like a great kit. Using a pen hurts much less than a lancet, freehand.

I question whether he even needs to be doing home BG testing at this stage. I think HbA1c is more important for someone who is in denial about even having diabetes. I don't home test anymore because I don't need to. Maybe he is worrying about a future filled with being pricked all the time. I don't think he needs to, unless he ends up on insulin... which he could at least delay if he started managing his BG, of course.
 

Tim55

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Hi There

I can relate to this - and not just because I AM from Yorkshire.....

I was diagnosed type 2 just over twelve months ago, when I started to suffer from numbness in my hands and feet.
It seems I have been suffering with this condition, failing to notice the signs for quite some time (probably years..), until I developed neuropathy.

Even then I struggled to come to terms with it. I was 55 then, not overweight and usually in generally good health and until my good lady presented me with a meter and testing kit and forcefully pointed me in the direction of this forum i did not take her concerns seriously.

I started testing before meals and two hours after and rapidly found there were a few things, notably orange juice I used to enjoy for breakfast, and the Bran Flakes i used to have, were particularly bad for me - spiking me from 12.8 to 17.2 on the first morning (10 / 7/14 as I recall).

White bread and cornish pasties soon turned out to be no-nos too.

It is entirely possible that your dad is actually only snacking on absolutely the worst things he could be choosing.

My levels were in the high teens when i started testing, so I immediately switched to a German style breakfast of cold meat and cheese, cut out all sugar and generally followed the advice on here..

Within a fortnight I was seeing numbers below 7 for the fist time and as time has gone on I have been able to relax my strict regime, I find Cranberry and Blueberry juice and muesli with no added sugar work well for me now and I am havent seen a number above 8 for over a month now.

I am taking Metformin, and since starting with a few supplements I find my neuropathy is improving, the problem I have with my knee is getting better, and most importantly, I am feeling a whole lot better in myself to the extent I am probably feeling the best I have done for years.

Having said all that I cannot really suggest how you might persuade him to take it seriously, except perhaps recount this tale to him and point him this forum himself maybe?

HTH

Tim
 

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That sounds like a great kit. Using a pen hurts much less than a lancet, freehand.

I question whether he even needs to be doing home BG testing at this stage. I think HbA1c is more important for someone who is in denial about even having diabetes. I don't home test anymore because I don't need to. Maybe he is worrying about a future filled with being pricked all the time. I don't think he needs to, unless he ends up on insulin... which he could at least delay if he started managing his BG, of course.

Pen = Lancet
 

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Pen = Lancet
Ok, just to clarify, I meant a freehand lancet, just the sharp tip with no pen. I have used a pen before, it has the little lancets in a round plastic thing that you click into the end of the pen. This was almost painless, compared to the freehand way, which was owww.