Newbie and terrified!

Merluna

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Hello all, having been feeling under the weather for a few months I went to the docs, they told me I was pregnant, I found this hard to believe as I have pcos and after 5 years of fertility treatment had had no such joy! After tests it turns out I was not pg but diabetic. My fasting glucose was 16.1 (hb thing and other tests are yet to be done)This was a massive shock! I have lost 4 stone, swim every week, run two dogs weekly on agility and eat healthy. It seems so unfair as 2 years ago my hubby was diagnosed with Parkinson's. I have a massively stressful life as a carer and Full time teacher in a management position. I'm only 32 and I'm terrified! I have done nothing since but try to read up about a low gi diet and find things I can eat safely. I feel I don't want to eat anything as I'm worried it will 'hurt' me! Sounds silly I know! I'm terrified what damage has already been done, how long have I been like this?!
Doc put me on metformin 500 1 a day. If anything I feel worse than ever! Shakes, headaches, generally weak and def no get up and go! Is this normal? I've tried to eat healthily since Thursday (diagnosis) I felt better before!
Any words of advice would be greatly appreciated. Plus any good savoury snacks! I'm ok on the meal side but for a long time have had a rice cake as a snack and now find I can't! Was thinking rye or soda bread? I really don't have a sweet tooth! How ironic!
 

IanD

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Welcome to the club no-one wants to join.... Most of us are in a state of shock when diagnosed with diabetes, but once we understand & take control, it becomes a background condition we live with. In my case I've lived with it for 12 years & at 73 I am in good health without diabetic problems.

32 is VERY young, especially as you already live a healthy lifestyle.

If you are OK with nuts, I find they are the basis for easy low carb/GI snacks in the form of powdered nuts - ground almonds, coconut flour etc, made into a cake-bread or porridge or drink. They have a good balance of low carb, veg protein & veg fats & provide lasting energy. Much better than the carb snacks.

I posted this on a Christian website - but there are lots of my posts & other people's recipes on the forum.

An "Eden" diet: And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which [is] upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which [is] the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

That is a strict vegan diet, seeds, fruit & nuts; could we be healthy & active - & long-lived - on such a diet today?
Typically seeds & nuts provide per 400 g (per 8/9 pound):
protein: 80 g - 320 kcals
carbohydrate: 40 g - 160 kcals
fat: 200 g - 1400 kcals
fibre - 80 g - no digestible calories, but contribute to the total measurement - 2,000 kcals.
Most fruit contain 10% carbohydrate - as sugar - & would give a needed energy boost.

I consider such a diet would provide all we need.

OTOH the modern diet, comprising refined carbs, including sugars, but restricted fats means getting most of our energy from refined carbs, which is NOT what God provided. The post-diluvian addition of meat would provide additional protein & fat but NOT carb.

I've got very interested in diet as a diabetic. I followed the recommended "starchy carb/low fat/low sugar/ low salt" diet for 7-8 years until serious complications set in - extreme tiredness, leg muscle pain, & the beginning of retina damage. I then changed to a "low carb/higher fat" diet & this reversed ALL the complications. Four years on I am healthy, active & free from complications.

About 1/3 of my diet is nuts & seeds, in the form of ground almonds, coconut flour & milled flax. I also eat eggs, dairy, meat & fish, plenty of vegetables (NOT potatoes), limited fruit, plenty of tea & water, a multivitamin/mineral supplement.

Not an Eden diet, not a "caveman" diet, but more of a "hunter-gatherer" post-diluvian diet. My blood glucose is well-controlled.

Recipes:
Approx recipe:
150 g (4 oz) mixed nut flour
1 1/2 teasp baking powder
1/3 teasp xanthan gum (optional, but strengthens the final texture)
30 g (1 oz) crushed seeds (or uncrushed seeds)
1 teasp cinnamon (good for blood glucose control)
Sieve together & add the residue

100 ml olive oil
30 g butter (melted into the oil)
3-4 eggs
beat together & add to the nut flour
beat well should be dropping consistency - add another egg if its too thick

Spread out in a 250 mm (9 inch) silicone baking dish
Bake at 170 deg C for 15-20 minutes.

Result is a sponge cake that I use instead of bread/potato/rice/pasta.
If I want sweet cake, I add sultanas and/or sweetener, cocoa powder, ad lib.

A basis for a nourishing drink is 2-3 teasp each ground almond & coconut, mix with cup soup, drinking choc, coffee, tea (fruit tea) made up with boiling water. Stir before you finish as it settles. It provides about 200 kcals - as much as a cereal b'fast, without the unhealthy refined carbs.

The same sort of mix is the basis for a "porridge" which I have every day. It is much more sustaining than cereal, providing similar calories in the form of slow-digesting healthy fats & proteins.
 

daisy1

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Hi Merluna and welcome to the forum :)

The more you learn about diabetes, the less frightened you will feel as you can start to look after yourself. You are among friends here and we all have similar problems which we are having to learn to deal with. Ask all the questions you need to and someone will always answer. Here is the information we give to new members which I hope you will find helpful.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find well over 30,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes ... rains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips
The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
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Please sign our e-petition for free testing for all type 2's; here's the link:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/petition/

Do get your friends and colleagues to sign as well.
 

Daibell

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Hi. Welcome to the very large club of diabetics! Yes, you are very young to have T2 diabetes. Hopefully with the Metformin, exercise and a low carb diet your blood sugar readings will gradually reduce. If you find that they remain high despite a good low-carb diet over the coming weeks then I would suggest you discuss the possibility that you are a late onset T1 (LADA) rather than a T2. There are two tests that can be done to confirm or eliminate this. Let's hope your blood sugars do come down thru the right diet. BTW, did you lose weight as a result of a diet change or did it happen without warning?
 

Merluna

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Thank you for your advice, I lost the weight on a diet per fertility treatment. I am still over weight (bmi37) but have been stable for 4 years. Is it a good or bad thing I've got it young? Ie does it give me a better chance? I've read that 20% of women suffering from pcos get t2 diabetes before the age of 40 so I'm putting it down to that? I obviously have quite a sever case of pcos as no fertility drugs could inspire my ovaries to work! I just feel I have done something wrong :( I let down my hubby by not being able to conceive and this hurts my heart everyday and now this! I must have been v naughty in a past life;0)
I have been and done the weekly shop, got carrot sticks a humus for snacks, are pittas ok? along with some nuts, brown sourdough bread for small portions, basmati rice, Staffordshire oatcake (Low gi from research) etc plain yoghurt and a sweet pots to replace white pots.
I don't like water, can I drink no added sugar squash? What about tea and coffee? I had tomato soup and 2 small slices of sourdough bread for my lunch. Going to try and be good but its my birthday week!!!!!! I'm out for lunch tomorrow, Tuesday, at the spa on sat next week and out again Sunday so it will only be the inbetween bits until next week!
 

Merluna

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Oh yes and porridge for breakfast!
On a typical day per diagnosis my diet would be Special K for breakfast with brown toast, rice cake snack at break, chicken/salmon/tuna salad for lunch with mixed pulses banana and apple plus a sweet snack such as cereal bar. Tea would be meat 2 veg and pots new boiled jacket! Even my colleagues were go smacked when I told them, I have the healthiest diet of all if them! I guess not too much will change, just have to adjust snacks and pots and have porridge for breakfast!
 

xyzzy

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Daibell said:
Hi. Welcome to the very large club of diabetics! Yes, you are very young to have T2 diabetes. Hopefully with the Metformin, exercise and a low carb diet your blood sugar readings will gradually reduce. If you find that they remain high despite a good low-carb diet over the coming weeks then I would suggest you discuss the possibility that you are a late onset T1 (LADA) rather than a T2. There are two tests that can be done to confirm or eliminate this. Let's hope your blood sugars do come down thru the right diet. BTW, did you lose weight as a result of a diet change or did it happen without warning?

I agree with what Daibell says. If you see no improvement in your levels after following a low carb diet for a few weeks be sure to go back and tell the doc you don't fit the average profile for T2 as at 32 you are very young. The two tests to ask for are called c-peptide and GAD. They will distinguish if you have T2 or late onset (LADA).

Food wise look to remove plain sugar so cakes, biscuits, sugar in tea and coffee, non diet fizzy drinks and even pure fruit juices. Next and just as importantly at least halve your intake of starchy foods so rice, pasta, bread, cereals, potatoes and other flour based products. Replace with extra meat, fish, cheese, eggs and most importantly loads of green veg. Replace what starchy foods you have left with brown versions so brown basmati rice, brown or tri colour pasta. The best bread that a lot of us eat is Burgen soya bread which you can get at most supermarkets.

Have you got a blood levels meter? If you haven't then most of us would recommend you get one so ask if you need to know where to get them from. Blood meters are important as they will tell you the effect that various foods are having on you.

Keep asking questions and good luck
 

krazus

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Hi Merluna,
I am also starting down this path this week. I know how frightening and upsetting this can be.

Please dont blame yourself, for the diabetes or for not conceiving! its not your fault, as you have stated you already have a good diet by most peoples standards, and better than most of your workmates.

you may wish to read this information I found from someone elses post on here... Blood sugar 101 - you did NOT eat your way to Diabetes and then form your own opinion.

There is a lot of help here, and friendly folks, As i am only starting this myself I cant say how great all the advice is yet... but im working on it.

I dont know how far you have got, for myself, I have had the confirmation from the doc, been given metformin and simvastatin. early days yet. Today I go to see the DSN (diabetes specialist nurse). Tomorrow I see the doc for the additional stress (Already have mental health issues). I hope from today I can arrange an educational course, a foot appointment, and my eye picture appointment. I also hope to be able to ask for a meter for self testing and discuss diet as well as booking to see a dietitian (open mind, see what they say).

Have you managed to sort any of that out yet?

Please dont Despair! there is a lot of help, once you know you need some. It might be a useful exercise to speak to your doc about the pressure/ stress you have been under (trying to concieve + this new development) there is evidence that the two things (Stress and Diabetes) have a link, but I understand no one is yet quite sure how much.

If you need to you can message me, I may not be of help (No expert in anything) but you might just want to talk. :wave:

cheers


Chris

P.s. sorry I was so wrapped up in my own misery and posts, I didnt spot yours. :(
 

hanadr

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since tyou are young and have lost weight, I think you should ask your doctor to check if you are type 1 or type2. If T1, then metformin won't control your blood glucose.
In either case, a low carb/high fat diet will help. High fat is not unhealthy or harmful to diabetics!
Hana
 

meoman

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i like the idea for a generic flatbread using nut flour.. have others tried... also interesting ref stafford oatcakes which some tescos sell.. others tried to get results?..