Newly Diagnosed Terrified and in Denial!

Lindy1706

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I have just got my blood results back and have been told they are off the scale and I am Diabetic my HbA1C is 118 mmols and apparently my blood sugar was 17.7.

Doc has put me on Metformin 500mgs 1 a day for a week then two a day for another week then increasing to 4 a day from then on. He wanted to put me on a statin as well as my cholesterol is 7.5 but I said no as I thought one slew of life changing drugs was enough;

I asked if I could could try and resolve this just using diet and lifestyle change for three months but he is insisting on Metformin.

Practice nurse has said that if my cholestorol figs have come down in three months due to low fat diet (!!!!!!!) then we can hopefully not have to discuss the statins again.

I feel terrified I do not want to go onto drugs and certainly do not want to take lifestyle and diet advice from the community clinic.

I have had lots of terrifying talk from the practice nurse about loss of eyesight, amputations, and heart disease going hand in hand with this.

I am scared, in tears and feel so guilty that this is all my fault.

Any help advice or sanity would be great

Thank you!

L
 
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HelenMW

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Hi Lindy,
I'm 11 weeks in and can remember so clearly feeling like you do. The thing that saved me was to take control of the situation and deciding to be proactive. I gave myself a couple of weeks or so to get used to it and then stopped feeling guilty and beating myself up! Bought a meter and started checking my bloods. Following the low carb high fat diet (but not sure how this works with high cholestrol - you'll need to check). Just wanted to say please don't feel guilty. What's done is done, what matters now is how you deal with it and you getting some control over the situation. Good luck and be kind to yourself
 
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Lindy1706

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Thank you both I have been following a LCHF diet since shrove Tuesday (I gave up carbs for lent oh the irony!) and have lost 9 kilos since then my practice nurse is saying fat turns to glucose and I am struggling with what is the best thing to do

One friend says cholesterol is high as it is fighting the high sugar and my hba1c only includes one month of good eating so stop panicking MM.

Apart from wind which I have been warned about what side effects does metformin have I am someone who does not even do aspirin for a headache.r
 
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@Lindy1706

Hello Lindy and welcome to the forum :) Here is the information we give to new members and I think it will be useful to you. Ask more questions and someone will be able to help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

LOW CARB PROGRAM:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/low carb program


Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
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Thank you both I have been following a LCHF diet since shrove Tuesday (I gave up carbs for lent oh the irony!) and have lost 9 kilos since then my practice nurse is saying fat turns to glucose and I am struggling with what is the best thing to do

One friend says cholesterol is high as it is fighting the high sugar and my hba1c only includes one month of good eating so stop panicking MM.

Apart from wind which I have been warned about what side effects does metformin have I am someone who does not even do aspirin for a headache.r
Well done on your weight loss. Bad luck with your diagnosis x

Metformin affects people differently. You may read negative stories, but I believe that is because people are more likely to write about a bad experience. I have never been troubled by metformin and take two a day. It has been around for years and is regarded as a safe drug for most people. It helps to take it mid-meal. If it disagrees with you, you can ask your doc for the slow release version which is gentler.
 
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Lindy1706

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Hence my overwhelming desire to run for the hills

I have also been told not to check my levels but to go to the surgery every 3 months for this.

My inner control freak is screaming!
 
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Hence my overwhelming desire to run for the hills

I have also been told not to check my levels but to go to the surgery every 3 months for this.

My inner control freak is screaming!
Good to hear you are a control freak as you can put this to good use! :)

Diabetes management is very much DIY. Get a monitor and start testing yourself. Work out what diet and exercise regime works for you. Have a good look around the forum and read the many success stories. I have a feeling you will be just fine.
 

satkins

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I also just found out I'm diabetic about a month ago and to go with that I also have a fatty liver and my cholesterol while not out of the park is not great. So I'm in the same boat with the lower carb, lower fat diet. I got my meter the same day my doctor diagnosed me. I only test a couple of time a day and tested before and after some meals to find out what it was doing to my BG. I wasn't really surprised by it. Type 2 seems to run in my family on both sides.

It was a couple of weeks after I was diagnosed that I had my appointment with the dietician. I found her very good so far. It was a three hour appointment and we talked about all kinds of food, food to try and avoid and some substitutions that might help. Still no good substitution for white bread but oh well.

Her advice was not to make a huge changes all of a sudden. It was also okay to give in to a craving but just watch watch how much you give in. Now what ever you do, do not take anything about my diet as gospel! Each one of us is different and I hope you can find a good dietitian to help you.
 
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kokhongw

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Perhaps you might want to consider carbs reduction first...you may see results like this. The improvements happens within days not weeks or months. Divide the units by 18 to get mmols readings.

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PatsyB

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Maybe the Nurse trying to scareyou into doing the rigth thing I am glad she sis not do that with me though as I was terrified for months after finding out I had diabetes ...
 

Lindy1706

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Thanks everyone.

Ok I am slightly calmer!

I will go and pick up the Metformin Tablets (very much with the view that they are a temporary Measure until I can get my lifestyle under control)

I am already LCHF but am reading into Jason Fung and Intermittent fasting and the Michael Moseley 8 week VLCD to see if either of those will push things down faster.

Even though I have been told not to I am going to buy a Meter and start testing (I will be asking for advice on which to buy on another thread)

I have signed up for a 6 week learn to meditate course as a) I realise that stress is a factor and b) I think I deserve to do something for me to enjoy out of all this.

Ditto I will join the Spa which is literally within spitting distance and do some enjoyable exercise if only for the relaxation.

And finally I am raising an obstetric finger to being told that I now have a Long Term condition

Again thanks for all your replies so good to realise that I am not alone!
 
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satkins

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I was also diagnosed with t2 and fatty liver. My doctor gave me a scritp for a meter and told me to test twice a day. Before a meal and two hours after. Also refered me to a dietician who told me to make small changes over the next month. Biggest one was try to drop the carb level. Now my numbers where no where near yours. Im also on 500mg a day metformin and 8mg coversyl. I'm just curious why he wouldn't want you to test. It has told me so much on what foods cause my BG to spike.
 
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Lindy1706

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I have no idea hence buying my own meter also told to stick to Brown Bread and pasta and low fat!
 
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I've recently turned a corner with my diabetic healthcare professionals, I disengaged for a few months and tried the LCHF approach at first it was difficult and the BG numbers were high for a while, but in the end it's paid off, my DN and GP are both happy the LCHF approach is working my BG is now stable, my last Hba1c is in the normal range, I'm no longer taking any diabetic medication, even so my GP is happy to provide support by way of test strips, currently 200 every 3 weeks, they appreciate the effort and dramatic physical change that I've been achieving as do the other Health care professionals I see.

I've found there's not been a negative from high fat on my Cholesterol, rather the knock on effect of low BGL helping the whole cholesterol process, my last results were very good, with a ratio was 3.8
 
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I have no idea hence buying my own meter also told to stick to Brown Bread and pasta and low fat!
That was the advice I followed for quite a few years, for me it lead me maximum dosages of metformin, glimepiride and lingliptin, last year I was advised by a specialist diabetic nurse I would probably need to be on insulin next.

Bread, pasta, rice wether brown or not isn't ideal, the key issue is that total carbs will turn to glucose.
 

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I would completely ignore everything she has to say from now on, if that is the sum total of her knowledge.
It will help if exercise is increased if able, brisk walking 30 mins, eating less than 5grams of carbs to start with if that's what you've been doing, now might be time to now eat some! no more than 15-20g brown rice, sweet potatoes, watch out for carrots and white ordinary potatoes, go for everything brown, also tomatoes are high sugar spiking, eat carbs 3 or 4 times a day should stop your liver from producing a 'meal' which is probably another reason for spiking blood sugar results, especially in the mornings. Look up Diane Cress, The Metabolic Miracle - it's helped me. Do not panic all that does is make sugars go up!!! Lots of love and support being sent to you. L.
 

ijonesrad

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Hi Lindy,
I am sorry that you have been subject to scare tactics from your GP practice nurse. Unfortunately the information which she has provided to you could be classed as the best practice advice available at this time. As a healthcare professional myself (Radiographer with T2) we have to work with the evidence which is available in order to give advice and base practice on, and unfortunately this evidence is still not fully up to speed with the latest findings with regards to Low Carbs diets as the research has not yet been published. As it has not been published it is not ethical for a healthcare to base practice upon the research as this could lead to problems with professional registration etc..
It is very difficult when you are in effect "lay-person" to understand this however changes do occur once the evidence is there to support it. The majority of the Diabetic Nurses and Dieticians I have spoken to are still advocating a low fat diet ensuring that you have a good level of carbs throughout the day for energy, with luck this will change soon.
With regards to the Statins you have the choice of which medication if any you wish to use. Statins have been shown to have a detrimental effect on BG levels and can cause stomach irritation - there are alternatives out there. My advice for anyone within the UK who has any serious/chronic condition is to check out the Clinical Guidance from the National Institute for Clinical Excellence (NICE) which is what should be followed by all healthcare professionals involved with support for these conditions. The following links may prove useful, after all forewarned is forearmed and will help provide you with a greater understanding of how the healthcare team are guided.

https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ng28
https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/co...nutritional-and-metabolic-conditions/diabetes
https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ng28/resources/type-2-diabetes-in-adults-management-1837338615493
 
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Hello and welcome.
I was scared as well.
I got all my good advice from the forum,Im fine now my BG levels have dropped,
 
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