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Prediabetic BG meter VAT yes/No?

Discussion in 'Prediabetes' started by terranista, Oct 12, 2017 at 11:11 PM.

  1. terranista

    terranista · Newbie

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    Hi, I'm thinking of getting a BG test meter, as a diagnosed prediabetic am I allowed to get it VAT free?

    TIA
     
  2. GrantGam

    GrantGam Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    Hi @terranista:)

    I do believe that the vat free allowance is only applicable to those who are "actually" diabetic, so to speak. But check in, why not - you may be surprised:)
     
  3. terranista

    terranista · Newbie

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    "check in" as in tick box, cross fingers and click button to send? :angelic:
     
  4. GrantGam

    GrantGam Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    Exactly, I do believe that it is your GP that will sign it yes or no but I cannot confirm that.
     
  5. bulkbiker

    bulkbiker Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Why do you think that?
    I'm pretty sure my GP has never seen my transactions with a BG meter vendor and I would be quite annoyed if they had.
     
  6. terranista

    terranista · Newbie

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    Thank you
     
  7. ringi

    ringi Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I think you get it vat free provided it is for medical use, managing prediabetic bg is medical use. Using it for a school sci project would not be.
     
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    berylc Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I always tick the yes box for no vat. I have never been asked for a letter from Dr. Just as well as I believe they charge a hefty amount for the pleasure.
    To my mind by checking you can keep in the prediabetic range, so testing is for an ongoing condition.....
     
  9. GrantGam

    GrantGam Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    I couldn't think of who else would be contacted by the diabetes police should you lie about your state of health. Surely your General Practitioner would be the first port of call in such an enquiry?

    Why would you be annoyed if your GP was contacted?
     
  10. AM1874

    AM1874 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Hi @terranista .. and welcome
    You have certainly made a good move coming here and the key point to take on board is that managing and controlling your diabetes or prediabetes through exercise, diet and testing your blood glucose seems to be the best way forward for many people. For me, committing to an LCHF (Low Carb High Fat) lifestyle and testing 3-5 times a day seems to be working and you'll find that there is a wealth of info, relevant advice and positive support about LCHF on the forum ..

    I have tagged @daisy1 for you and I suggest that you read up on the valuable information that she will soon be sending you. You might also find the discussion on the Low Carb Diet forum helpful .. together with the following Diet Doctor websites, which will give you all the info that you need on what and what not to eat ...
    Low Carb Intro and Information and Low Carbs in 60 Seconds

    Good that you are getting yourself a test meter and, for this, the following websites might help:
    https://homehealth-uk.com/product-category/blood-glucose/
    (or telephone: 01923 711511)
    for the SD Codefree meter, which costs £12.98 or:
    http://spirit-healthcare.co.uk/product/tee2-blood-glucose-meter/
    (or telephone: 0116 2865000)
    who distribute the TEE 2 meter, which is free.
    I have both which I alternate for comparative purposes and I have never found any significant difference between them.

    The cost of testing comes down to the ongoing charges for test strips and lancets.
    For the SD Codefree, the strips are £7.69 for a pack of 50 and there are discount codes available for bulk purchases:
    5 packs x 50 use code: 264086 .. cost is £29.49
    10 packs x 50 use code: 975833 .. cost is £58.98
    For the TEE 2, the strips are £7.75 for a pack of 50 .. but there are no discount codes currently available

    Make sure that you tick the appropriate box on the on-line order form and you won't pay VAT on your meter or strips. For the bulk discount on strips for the SD Codefree, you need to complete the order (check the boxes to confirm that you are diabetic and the number of packs that you want). Then click on view basket and on the left hand side of the window you will see two boxes .. Coupon Code and Apply Coupon. Enter the relevant discount code in the first box and then click the Apply Coupon box. This applies the discount and adjusts the price .. and finally, you then proceed to checkout

    Hope this helps
     
  11. bulkbiker

    bulkbiker Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Why is it anything to do with my GP if I buy a blood glucose meter for personal use... ?
     
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  12. daisy1

    daisy1 Type 2 · Guru
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    @terranista

    Hello Terranista and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you need to and someone will be able to help.


    BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

    Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

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    On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

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    Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

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    People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

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    • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
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    • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
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  13. Alexandra100

    Alexandra100 Other · Well-Known Member

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    I checked the HRMC ruling about this and it is obscure. It appears that diabetics qualify for VAT relief only if their condition is chronic. In other words, gestational diabetes would not qualify as it would probably go away after the birth. I also checked with my GP and she says that she is absolutely sure that diabetes, pre-diabetes and even, as in my case, pre pre-diabetes ARE chronic conditions. In any case, she says, the GP practice is never ever contacted by anyone enquiring about the diabetic status of patients.
     
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