Type 1 and avocados

Kristin251

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As a type 1, do you ever eat just avocado for a meal and do you bolus for it? How much does it raise you?

Here's why I ask. I always eat half and avocado and celery for breakfast and bolus 1/2 unit
After lots of dancing last night I had my 1st hypo in a long time. Woke up at 50. Ate my avocado and a piece of deli turkey. Obviously no insulin. An hour later still 50. 2 hours later 63. Sick time now I guess. This is unusual as we were also out much later than normal and I took lantus 2 hours late

Normally when I eat it, take half a unit I am steady for 3 hours and then bump up. Wondering if I should wait until after I eat to take insulin and am if my meal is coming in well after the insulin leak. Lots of testing to do.
 

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the only thing I can think of is either the dancing exercise kept the number from rising --- or perhaps if you had any alcohol
which would also stop glucose from rising as the liver could have been busy
 

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The dancing was last night and 1 unit lantus. I was 101 before bed and 1 unit keeps me steady, not drop 50. Yes there was alcohol but I have a drink or two every night. Since avocado is mostly fat and fiber I'm wondering how much it can raise me without insulin. The highest I got today was 78 and I had small snacks all day. Not carbs but fat or protein. I don't think this has every happened before.
Tomorrow I'm going to test as usual, not take insulin and test every 15 min to see when my food comes in. That could answer some questions.
I know some type 1's don't bolus for some snacks and wondering if this is one of them
 

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78 in UK numbers is 4.33 -- - given that there is meter error -- are you saying you could have been potentially hypo all day ????
i bolus for all snacks but your body gets used to what it is fed- so for me protein can raise BG
avocado is a lowish carb food -- perhaps you body does not react to tiny amounts of carb given the ultra low carb diet you follow
 

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78 in UK numbers is 4.33 -- - given that there is meter error -- are you saying you could have been potentially hypo all day ????
i bolus for all snacks but your body gets used to what it is fed- so for me protein can raise BG
avocado is a lowish carb food -- perhaps you body does not react to tiny amounts of carb given the ultra low carb diet you follow


He's 78 was the highest I went all day. I just had dinner of a hot dog with mustard and mayo, a few bites of my husbands tuna with mayo and salad , 1/3 avocado with onions radish and celery. I took 1/3 unit at 78 and an hour later 70. Madness. I might peak in a little bit so I will wait and test. I usually run between 80 and 100. Rarely over 100. Yes, my body surely likes the same sized/ macro meals but it works on digestion too. I was never a big meal person, I loved to graze but not possible anymore. I can eat a few slices of avocado or a few nuts or olives as well as celery without bolusing.

I'm curious to see what happens tomorrow without taking insulin to see how long it is before I start rising. I'm wondering why I stay steady until 3 hours and then spike. Could be I need to take insulin later like after I eat.
 

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Avocados only have 3g carb in them, so not going to do diddly squat to a hypo! .... or any other time you do a BS reading


I am type 2 (gliclazide twice a day), but noticed that after swimming 500+ metres my BS raises often by a couple of point from say 6.5 to 8 for several hours I am told this is due to syndrome X/ insulin insensitivity. However 150 - 200 metres and my BS drops. Maybe dancing has produced a similar effect on you? I have also been told not to stop going for the longer swims as it is this that will lead to normalization.
 
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Listen to this. Its hard to believe but avocado is a beneficial fat along with, olive oil, coconut oil (bulk fat important here so cheapest works besst), unrefined palm oil. These ramp up your metabolism and burn fat. Dr Jason Fung has some articles on this line, canadian chinese consultant kidney specialist got fed up not helping his mainly diabetic dialysis patients so researched and realised good fats will feed the body and carbs should be minimal for diabetics as carbs require insulin. Since leaving hospital for sepsis, GBS when medics doubled my insulin to reduce dangerous sugar levels and failed by the way I have adopted Dr Fung's intermittent fasting and lost 15KG in the last months with reduction in blood pressure also caused by insulin overdose. Hospital could not reduce BP either.
Rapeseed or other vegetable oils like olive all oxidise quickly on heating to trans fats that block up the insulin mechanism and cell membranes and cause blood vessel wall damage ready for atherosclerosis.
Fry with stable animal fats, lamb, beef or vegetable like coconut that can be recycled more than once. Cheap coconut oil has little taste but frys much hotter for crisper chips that are not particularly coconutty. Best avoid frying.

I have been intermittent fasting for the last few months. As I always miss breakfast I miss my insulin jab and don't usually eat until dinner time at 2pm. I don't seem to get hungry but if I did a glass of water or coffee fixes it. Being busy during this fasting time helps burn fat which is what intermittent fasting does and keeps my mind off food. I eat a dominantly fatty meal, 3-4 desertspoons of above oils at 2pm with raw fresh vegetable juice, full fat yogort, kefir, summer fruit melon papaya, pineapple. Meat such as beef or lamb or pork and sometimes chicken in m,oderation. Fat in the meal reduces insulin requirement. And inject fast acting insulin at 4pm which being porcine neutral will cover my evening meal at 6pm. A natural insulin, it does cause increase in blood pressure on overdose but probably not having the usual secondary diabetic effects usually attributed to high blood sugar levels that Jason Fung has nailed down to modern insulin and drugs.

I have been on insulin and supplements only for some years, blood pressure pills just caused ED and ashwagandha has fixed my hypothyroidism when laevo thyroxine failed. I have none of the usual secondary diabetes symptoms, retinopathy and the rest of its friends.

It is about time NHS brought its dietary advice for diabetics at least to 2016 as carbs are oviously not nutritious and just increase the insulin the drug companies would like used. Veg and fruits a better option along with safe carbs like sweet potato, cold cooked potato.

So an early evening meal at 6pm or this can be missed if a longer fast is needed. During the fast body will make ketones from usually tummy fat to feed the brain and muscles. Insulin not needed for these to use it so it should not build too much. Tummy fat surrounding the organs like kidney, liver and especially pancreas will exascerbate diabetes type 2. But diabetes like cancer likely a disease of the mitochondria trying Moringa to fix these and previous hint of cancer in my gut, also good for diabetes.
Search the web before accepting the advice of your health professional, dietition, even consultant.
https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/
 

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Rapeseed or other vegetable oils like olive all oxidise quickly on heating to trans fats that block up the insulin mechanism and cell membranes and cause blood vessel wall damage ready for atherosclerosis.


It is a common myth that olive oil is not adapt for frying. The opposite is true. Google it or read more here.
 

Kristin251

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Low to medium heat is a no worry. It does have a lower smoke point than some fats such as butter or ghee
 

cz_dave

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Actually, I am no expert on this topic, just a big fan of olive oil.

Wikipedia states that the smoke point of high quality olive oil is at 207 degrees Celsius which is higher than that of butter (135) but lower than that of ghee (252).