Type II Diabetes + other illnesses = complex treatment plan

memememeiii

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Dunno. Strange question.
Hi all.

I seem to dip in and out of these forums when I sort of reach my wit's end.

I have managed to lose about 15 lbs and keep it off in the last half year. But I'm still obese and I am still frustrated with food. I should say, I feel that former posts of mine are no longer tracked here. Has something happened to the forum in the past year?

I had an anaphylactic shock attack earlier this year that has been diagnosed as wheat-induced exercise dependent allergy. Weird, but if I eat wheat an hour before I exercise, it triggers a protein in the body and I can have an attack. I nearly died this last attack, and that was a first. It hauled me up and I got a glucometer and began to monitor myself. I guess the results show I am borderline diabetic ON Metformin. My Metformin was increased to 750 mg 2/day after this last attack and I was told that you need that minimum dose for it to be effective and so as to avoid burning out the pancreas over time.

I was upset about it, because clearly I am still in denial about this problem, and now I'm 5 years into it.

It seems I have developed IBS in the last year - irritable bowel - and so I'm wholly unclear about what is good for my body and what isn't. Cooked is better than raw vegetables. I am tired of food in general and really like salads. I've done Paleo. I've done modified Paleo. I can't figure out if Dairy is evil or what.

I would welcome some thoughts on diet again, veganism vs. meat based diets, and results in Diabetes reversal. Also, I read an article that flat out said that the issue is FAT not sugar re. Type II Diabetes - and a 30 mg fat/day diet (ie. low fat) and reduction of FAT in the system increases glucose sensitivity, so eating potatoes which I thought were evil, etc., is not so much a problem.

See my confusion?

Paleo given the fact that I have high cholesterol and am still 80 lbs overweight, is a concern. But it's better for my IBS.
Raw foods are more healing for autoimmune, or something.

???

Ideas?

MM.
 

jonbvn

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I don't think anybody's posts are "tracked" as you describe it. However, they should still be available for you to post on.
 

kokhongw

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Yes there are those who believes that animal fats are the source/trigger for T2D...so going vegan is recommended by some, eg Dr Neal Barnard, Dr Michael Greger etc

But that doesn't explain why some long time vegans gets T2D...and why eating a fatty slab of roast pork belly gives me stable glucose all day long... < 5.5 mmols.
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Bluetit1802

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I feel that former posts of mine are no longer tracked here. Has something happened to the forum in the past year?

If you look below your avatar on the left hand side of your post you will see it says Messages 76. Click on that and all your 76 previous posts will come up. (Obviously the figure 76 will change when you post again)
 
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AndBreathe

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Hi all.

I seem to dip in and out of these forums when I sort of reach my wit's end.

I have managed to lose about 15 lbs and keep it off in the last half year. But I'm still obese and I am still frustrated with food. I should say, I feel that former posts of mine are no longer tracked here. Has something happened to the forum in the past year?

I had an anaphylactic shock attack earlier this year that has been diagnosed as wheat-induced exercise dependent allergy. Weird, but if I eat wheat an hour before I exercise, it triggers a protein in the body and I can have an attack. I nearly died this last attack, and that was a first. It hauled me up and I got a glucometer and began to monitor myself. I guess the results show I am borderline diabetic ON Metformin. My Metformin was increased to 750 mg 2/day after this last attack and I was told that you need that minimum dose for it to be effective and so as to avoid burning out the pancreas over time.

I was upset about it, because clearly I am still in denial about this problem, and now I'm 5 years into it.

It seems I have developed IBS in the last year - irritable bowel - and so I'm wholly unclear about what is good for my body and what isn't. Cooked is better than raw vegetables. I am tired of food in general and really like salads. I've done Paleo. I've done modified Paleo. I can't figure out if Dairy is evil or what.

I would welcome some thoughts on diet again, veganism vs. meat based diets, and results in Diabetes reversal. Also, I read an article that flat out said that the issue is FAT not sugar re. Type II Diabetes - and a 30 mg fat/day diet (ie. low fat) and reduction of FAT in the system increases glucose sensitivity, so eating potatoes which I thought were evil, etc., is not so much a problem.

See my confusion?

Paleo given the fact that I have high cholesterol and am still 80 lbs overweight, is a concern. But it's better for my IBS.
Raw foods are more healing for autoimmune, or something.

???

Ideas?

MM.

Hi there.

Your profile suggests you joined in January 2015, and have made 78 posts. When I search all your content, I see 78 posts. so I think everything is there. If you think anything in particular is missing, that you desperately want to see again, do please let me know.

There's a load of very good information on the site, so do start to have a read. One size doesn't fit all, so you really have to find what works for you. The phrase "eat to your meter" really does sum it up.
 

jonbvn

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BTW, completely disagree about fat. It is potatoes and other carbs that are the problem.
 
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Avocado Sevenfold

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Hi all.

I seem to dip in and out of these forums when I sort of reach my wit's end.

I have managed to lose about 15 lbs and keep it off in the last half year. But I'm still obese and I am still frustrated with food. I should say, I feel that former posts of mine are no longer tracked here. Has something happened to the forum in the past year?

I had an anaphylactic shock attack earlier this year that has been diagnosed as wheat-induced exercise dependent allergy. Weird, but if I eat wheat an hour before I exercise, it triggers a protein in the body and I can have an attack. I nearly died this last attack, and that was a first. It hauled me up and I got a glucometer and began to monitor myself. I guess the results show I am borderline diabetic ON Metformin. My Metformin was increased to 750 mg 2/day after this last attack and I was told that you need that minimum dose for it to be effective and so as to avoid burning out the pancreas over time.

I was upset about it, because clearly I am still in denial about this problem, and now I'm 5 years into it.

It seems I have developed IBS in the last year - irritable bowel - and so I'm wholly unclear about what is good for my body and what isn't. Cooked is better than raw vegetables. I am tired of food in general and really like salads. I've done Paleo. I've done modified Paleo. I can't figure out if Dairy is evil or what.

I would welcome some thoughts on diet again, veganism vs. meat based diets, and results in Diabetes reversal. Also, I read an article that flat out said that the issue is FAT not sugar re. Type II Diabetes - and a 30 mg fat/day diet (ie. low fat) and reduction of FAT in the system increases glucose sensitivity, so eating potatoes which I thought were evil, etc., is not so much a problem.

See my confusion?

Paleo given the fact that I have high cholesterol and am still 80 lbs overweight, is a concern. But it's better for my IBS.
Raw foods are more healing for autoimmune, or something.

???

Ideas?

MM.

I hope someone clever can comment on this line, "My Metformin was increased to 750 mg 2/day after this last attack and I was told that you need that minimum dose for it to be effective and so as to avoid burning out the pancreas over time." I was led to believe that metformin worked on the liver and not the pancreas :confused:

You have a lot going on there. My advice would be to make a list of all the foods you can tolerate and design your own way of eating with the assistance of your blood glucose monitor. What works for one person may not work for you. For what it's worth, my diabetes control improved significantly when I gave up dairy, but your experience may differ. All the best :)
 

Fruitella

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Type 2
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Insulin
former posts of mine are no longer tracked here. Has something happened to the forum in the past year?
Hi, if you click on your name on top right and then again on the red writing - Your Profile Page- you should then be able to click on 'posts'. I can see some of yours from Jan 16 and 2011.
 

berylc

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When people who know nothing about the LCHF diet tell me I'm killing myself being on it. I was killing myself not being on it!
Is the IBS actually IBS or is it a reaction to the metformin? I was told I had an allergy to certain foods and to keep a better record of what I ate and did so for a number of years with no good results. Then I suggested to the nurse it was the metformin (both types) and I was right. If you are on normal Metformin and not SR Metformin (slow release) it can give you the same effects as IBS, but not everyone gets it, some lucky ones can take the medication with no problems.
 

Resurgam

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I seem to get every side effect medication can induce, and Metformin upset my insides dreadfully.
Thankfully I don't seem to need it. I eat low carb and I was testing to check that I had low blood glucose, which I did, so now I am concentrating on lowering my weight.
 

Pinkorchid

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So if you are now prediabetic then that is good we can't reverse diabetes we can only control it. and it seems you have done that. I would certainly question the Metformin with your doctor as it could well be the cause of the IBS are you taking the standard one or the SR version . I only take 500gm of the SR metformin once a day as that is as much as I can tolerate without it taking away my appetite my Doctor said a small dose is better than none at all for the protective properties it has
 
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bulkbiker

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Not for everyone some can eat more carbs than others even potatoes and some people can't tolerate to much fat so it is a matter of what suits us as individuals

Trouble is while some may be able to eat more carbs than others is doesn't necessarily mean that it's doing them any good does it?
I have never heard of dietary fat being a cause of Type 2 and considering the amount of it I eat then for me I don't see this being correct in the slightest.
 

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@memememeiii

Goodness! What an ordeal. Glad you are still with us.
Are you now avoiding wheat completely? I think I would be, in the circumstances. You never know when you might have to run up some stairs, or do something unexpectedly strenuous.

Also, when you avoid wheat (and possibly gluten containing foods and other grains) do you find your IBS improves? Non Coeliac Gluten Intolerance is often linked to IBS like symptoms.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4690093/

Although the comments above about Metformin causing IBS like symptoms are common on the forum.

Like Avocado Sevenfold, I think that you should check out the veracity of that comment you were told about Metformin. It sounds very unlikely to me. They may have very good reasons for wanting you take a specific dose of Metformin, but as an explanation, the one given to you doesn't add up, from what I know about the drug.
 
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Pinkorchid

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Trouble is while some may be able to eat more carbs than others is doesn't necessarily mean that it's doing them any good does it?
I have never heard of dietary fat being a cause of Type 2 and considering the amount of it I eat then for me I don't see this being correct in the slightest.
We could all eat more carbs if we wanted to but we don't if they do not suit us but what we may not be able to eat our self others may be able to without problem so we can't that potatoes and bread etc is bad for all diabetics. Did someone say that dietary fat was the cause of their diabetes I have not heard that one but some people cannot tolerate to much fat because of other medical conditions
 
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I have heard doctors parrot that about consuming fat and diabetes T2D on that GP surgery program on one of the advertising channels. The irony is some of the gp's are not slim. Derek
 
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memememeiii

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Dunno. Strange question.
Yes there are those who believes that animal fats are the source/trigger for T2D...so going vegan is recommended by some, eg Dr Neal Barnard, Dr Michael Greger etc

But that doesn't explain why some long time vegans gets T2D...and why eating a fatty slab of roast pork belly gives me stable glucose all day long... < 5.5 mmols.
18301240_10155363804709445_1132017396309980599_n.jpg

Wow. You've got good numbers. The lowest I get is 108 in the morning.
 

memememeiii

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Type 2
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Dunno. Strange question.
@memememeiii

Goodness! What an ordeal. Glad you are still with us.
Are you now avoiding wheat completely? I think I would be, in the circumstances. You never know when you might have to run up some stairs, or do something unexpectedly strenuous.

Also, when you avoid wheat (and possibly gluten containing foods and other grains) do you find your IBS improves? Non Coeliac Gluten Intolerance is often linked to IBS like symptoms.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4690093/

Although the comments above about Metformin causing IBS like symptoms are common on the forum.

Like Avocado Sevenfold, I think that you should check out the veracity of that comment you were told about Metformin. It sounds very unlikely to me. They may have very good reasons for wanting you take a specific dose of Metformin, but as an explanation, the one given to you doesn't add up, from what I know about the drug.

Thank you. I guess I will check this again. The French doctor I saw at a specialist hospital here seemed very up on the latest research. But second opinions are good. Thank you. He said the minimum does everyone maybe at my 5 year stage??? should be more than the minimum. So at least 1500 mg/day not 1000.

I'm nut sure my UK doctor would agree but I can't check. I'm out of country and system.