Understanding The Maths

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Hi, my doctor told me I was prediabetic and gave me the figure 46.

I read that if one carries out such-and-such a program one could lower their (HBA1C ?) level by 1.2% over a period of one year.

Could someone please advise me of the formula used, do I just take 1.2% away from 46? This would only show a figure of 45.45, would that be correct?

Thanx to anyone who will enlighten me.
 

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Hi, my doctor told me I was prediabetic and gave me the figure 46.

I read that if one carries out such-and-such a program one could lower their (HBA1C ?) level by 1.2% over a period of one year.

Could someone please advise me of the formula used, do I just take 1.2% away from 46? This would only show a figure of 45.45, would that be correct?

Thanx to anyone who will enlighten me.
It is the maths that will disillusion you. Keep a record of your bgl's and track your progress. Below 7.0 is good. Ideally, 4.7 to 7.5 is a desired parameter, but it is difficult to maintain due to many influences. Don't let this consume you - over time, you will learn to control your condition. It takes patience and experience. You will become proficient over time. We are here to assist where possible. I welcome you to the forum. Good luck in your journey!
 
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Thanx as such I'm NOT interested in the program more interested in trying to understand the maths. My doctor only gave me one figure, ie 46.

This was the site which stated a 1.2% reduction. https://www.type2testing.com/ see photo below

For Slip: Thanx for the link and your helpful reply. Do I take it that a figure of 46 (my figure 2 months ago) would (roughly) be as a percentage 6.5%? If a reduction, for any reason, let's say the course, reduced it by 1.2% my figure would be 5.3% somewhere in the region of 34/35 and therefore no longer prediabetic?


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Thanx as such I'm NOT interested in the program more interested in trying to understand the maths. My doctor only gave me one figure, ie 46.

This was the site which stated a 1.2% reduction. https://www.type2testing.com/ see photo below

For Slip: Thanx for the link and your helpful reply. Do I take it that a figure of 46 (my figure 2 months ago) would (roughly) be as a percentage 6.5%? If a reduction, for any reason, let's say the course, reduced it by 1.2% my figure would be 5.3% somewhere in the region of 34/35 and therefore no longer prediabetic?


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No-one can answer this question for you. These figures are based on so many variables and are averages. We do not know what the participants did to lower their HbA1c. What happens in your case is entirely down to you and how well you can control this. You could easily see non-diabetic levels on future tests. I hope this is the case. On the other hand, being pre-diabetic means you are at risk of full blown diabetes, so if you do little or nothing to change things, you may equally find your levels have risen. Worrying about percentage chances isn't going to help.
 

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Hope you now have a better understanding on the maths, have you decided how you are going to tackle your prediabetes?

Tagging @daisy1 for some new member information for you
 

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It is the maths that will disillusion you. Keep a record of your bgl's and track your progress. Below 7.0 is good. Ideally, 4.7 to 7.5 is a desired parameter, but it is difficult to maintain due to many influences. Don't let this consume you - over time, you will learn to control your condition. It takes patience and experience. You will become proficient over time. We are here to assist where possible. I welcome you to the forum. Good luck in your journey!

I would agree here - do not get too involved in the maths. As an example of why that absolute isn't important, some people would of lowered more, some less. Then you do not know the highs and lows. So in fact the figure 1.2 cannot be applied to you.

I think, what is more important is for you do the testing. Because by knowing the important facts of what impacts you - you can avoid those spikes and reduce your BG with good fortune thrown in.
 
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Hello Lenny and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask more questions and someone will try to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
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Thanx as such I'm NOT interested in the program more interested in trying to understand the maths. My doctor only gave me one figure, ie 46.

This was the site which stated a 1.2% reduction. https://www.type2testing.com/ see photo below

For Slip: Thanx for the link and your helpful reply. Do I take it that a figure of 46 (my figure 2 months ago) would (roughly) be as a percentage 6.5%? If a reduction, for any reason, let's say the course, reduced it by 1.2% my figure would be 5.3% somewhere in the region of 34/35 and therefore no longer prediabetic?


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Basically the answer is in the attached screenshot.

46 mmol - 13 mmols = 33 mmols

That is what may be possible with their program.
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I agree best to focus on tackling pre diabetes. If steps are taken, then hopefully future HbA1c readings will be lower.
 

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For Slip: Thanx for the link and your helpful reply. Do I take it that a figure of 46 (my figure 2 months ago) would (roughly) be as a percentage 6.5%? If a reduction, for any reason, let's say the course, reduced it by 1.2% my figure would be 5.3% somewhere in the region of 34/35 and therefore no longer prediabetic?

As Squire fulwood has already said, Mathematically that is correct - don't think that once you've got your numbers down you can relax and go back to the way you use to eat/treat your body though! ;)
 

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As you are prediabetic a small alteration in your diet should resolve the problem for you.
I say this smugly as I made a huge change in my Hba1c by altering my diet back to what I thought it should be and now have normal numbers.
 
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Hope you now have a better understanding on the maths, have you decided how you are going to tackle your prediabetes?

Tagging @daisy1 for some new member information for you

Thanx Alison, yes I was 14st 7lbs when the doctor wanted to see me. This morning I weighed 12st 12lbs. I had a two week holiday in an all inclusive hotel - I weighed the same at the start and end of the holiday. Weight loss approx 10kg in new money. I've started speed walking - I've only kept a log from 9 days ago (8 days walking) - 30.04 miles, 481 minutes, gives me (my maths) a walking pace of 3.75 mph.
 
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Lenny249

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I agree best to focus on tackling pre diabetes. If steps are taken, then hopefully future HbA1c readings will be lower.

Thanx, yes I am taking steps. Unfortunately my doctor said that I should return to the surgery at the one year point to have a further blood test, he didn't say HbA1c, but as he said my level was 46 I've got to assume that is the test.

I'm seriously thinking of approaching him at the 6 month point, stating that I've lost "x" kgs in weight, taken up a fitness program and therefore, can I have a test at the six month point. I'd certainly like to know if my efforts are taking me in the right direction. The worst he can say is NO.
 
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