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Splot

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I have been very fortunate in that I have been told I am pre-diabetic by my doctor (and no she doesn't think regular testing is needed IE home testing) but she has provided me with entrance to a pre-diabetic clinic (this starts next week). I have also found a work colleague who is a year on from me and has been really helpful (and I have been to her ...."Sandy don't you dare eat that cake!"). I weigh 9st 6 (was 10st 4 a month ago) I'm 5ft 2. I think I have been given this chance to sort my eating habits out because I tend to skip meals ( yes I have just learnt about liver dumping sugar and how bad it is). I'm confused as to why I have this but I'm using it to enhance my life so that I live longer xxx

I have surgery in approx 4 weeks time - how the heck do I deal with the NIL by mouth thingy?
 
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covknit

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Welcome to the forum @Splot. Your doctor and colleague sound great. This is the place to ask questions . You do need to discuss the nil by mouth business with your healthcare team. Someone will be along to give you proper advice soon. What is the surgery for, if you do not mind me asking. I think knowing that will help the forum members who can advise you. Has @daisy1 sent you the information for new people yet although you sound as though you have read stuff on the forum already.

Cake is evil stuff but @Brunneria will certainly direct you to some wonderful carb light cake recipes. Are you doing low carb or just keeping them in check together with regular eating habits?
 

daisy1

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@Splot

Hello Splot and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope it will be useful to you. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 245,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why
  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 

bulkbiker

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
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Diet only
to sort my eating habits out because I tend to skip meals
Nothing wrong with some fasting.. you may find the nil by mouth easy if you have cut some of the carbs out of your diet by the time you go for your op.
It's more about what you eat when you do have your meals..
 

LittleGreyCat

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
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Diet drinks - the artificial sweeteners taste vile.
Having to forswear foods I have loved all my life.
Trying to find low carb meals when eating out.
Nil by mouth shouldn't be a problem.
Your pre-diabetes is a problem if you eat too much sugar and starch and your blood glucose goes too high.
Not eating anything will probably lower your blood sugar but I don't think you are at any more risk of a hypo (low blood sugar) than any non-diabetic.
 

Alison Campbell

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Type 2
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Tablets (oral)
Hi @Splot welcome to the forum. How were you diagnosed with prediabetes? I was diagnosed almost 6 years ago and I have been testing my blood glucose for 5 years ignoring the advice from my nurse not to test.
 

Guzzler

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Hi there and welcome :)
 

AM1874

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Diet only
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Hi @Splot .. and welcome
You have certainly made a good move coming here. Since joining this forum, the folks here have given me so much info, advice and support that I am now much more confident about the journey ahead. So ask your questions and be assured that you will receive the answers that you need. It can all seem uphill to start with but, in my experience, it gets easier .. very quickly.

The key point to take on board is that managing and controlling your diabetes (or pre-diabetes) through exercise, diet and testing your Blood Glucose seems to be the best way forward for many people. For me, committing to an LCHF (Low Carb High Fat) lifestyle and testing 3-5 times a day seems to be working and you'll find that there is a wealth of info, relevant advice and positive support about LCHF on the forum ..

I suggest that you read up on the Low Carb Program in the information that @ daisy1has sent you. You might also find the discussion on the Low Carb Diet forum helpful .. and the following Diet Doctor websites ...
Low Carb Intro and Information
Low Carbs in 60 Seconds

It is a top priority that you get yourself a test meter and, for this, the following websites might help:
https://homehealth-uk.com/product-category/blood-glucose/
for the SD Codefree meter, which costs £12.98 or:
http://spirit-healthcare.co.uk/product/tee2-blood-glucose-meter/
who distribute the TEE 2 meter, which is free.

I have both which I alternate for comparative purposes and I have never found any significant difference between them.
Unless you are prescribed test strips by your doctor (unlikely), the costs of testing comes down to the ongoing charges for test strips and lancets. Make sure that you tick the appropriate box on the on-line order form and you won't pay VAT on the cost of your meter or strips.
For the SD Codefree, the strips are £7.69 for a pack of 50 and there are discount codes available for bulk purchases:
5 packs x 50 use code: 264086 .. cost is £38.45
10 packs x 50 use code: 975833 .. cost is £76.90
For the TEE 2, the strips are £7.75 for a pack of 50 .. there are no discount codes currently available for bulk buys
I'm testing 3-5 times a day which works out at around £10 to £12 per month for either of the two packages above but, more importantly, I know what my BG levels are .. and I can now manage them

Hope this helps
 

Splot

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Type of diabetes
Prediabetes
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I do not have diabetes
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Hi @Splot .. and welcome
You have certainly made a good move coming here. Since joining this forum, the folks here have given me so much info, advice and support that I am now much more confident about the journey ahead. So ask your questions and be assured that you will receive the answers that you need. It can all seem uphill to start with but, in my experience, it gets easier .. very quickly.

The key point to take on board is that managing and controlling your diabetes (or pre-diabetes) through exercise, diet and testing your Blood Glucose seems to be the best way forward for many people. For me, committing to an LCHF (Low Carb High Fat) lifestyle and testing 3-5 times a day seems to be working and you'll find that there is a wealth of info, relevant advice and positive support about LCHF on the forum ..

I suggest that you read up on the Low Carb Program in the information that @ daisy1has sent you. You might also find the discussion on the Low Carb Diet forum helpful .. and the following Diet Doctor websites ...
Low Carb Intro and Information
Low Carbs in 60 Seconds

It is a top priority that you get yourself a test meter and, for this, the following websites might help:
https://homehealth-uk.com/product-category/blood-glucose/
for the SD Codefree meter, which costs £12.98 or:
http://spirit-healthcare.co.uk/product/tee2-blood-glucose-meter/
who distribute the TEE 2 meter, which is free.

I have both which I alternate for comparative purposes and I have never found any significant difference between them.
Unless you are prescribed test strips by your doctor (unlikely), the costs of testing comes down to the ongoing charges for test strips and lancets. Make sure that you tick the appropriate box on the on-line order form and you won't pay VAT on the cost of your meter or strips.
For the SD Codefree, the strips are £7.69 for a pack of 50 and there are discount codes available for bulk purchases:
5 packs x 50 use code: 264086 .. cost is £38.45
10 packs x 50 use code: 975833 .. cost is £76.90
For the TEE 2, the strips are £7.75 for a pack of 50 .. there are no discount codes currently available for bulk buys
I'm testing 3-5 times a day which works out at around £10 to £12 per month for either of the two packages above but, more importantly, I know what my BG levels are .. and I can now manage them

Hope this helps
Cheers - I use an SD codefree (like most people my doctor said not to test). I had a check up for a diebetes prevention programme they are running locally. All because the last 3 yrs I have had blood test and the last one was high (HbA1c 42 I thought really that's not high lol). My BMI is good - my waist is moderate risk and I dont do any exercise (due to waiting for a hip hernia op).... so much to read up on and so little time.
 

DCUKMod

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Type of diabetes
I reversed my Type 2
Treatment type
Diet only
Cheers - I use an SD codefree (like most people my doctor said not to test). I had a check up for a diebetes prevention programme they are running locally. All because the last 3 yrs I have had blood test and the last one was high (HbA1c 42 I thought really that's not high lol). My BMI is good - my waist is moderate risk and I dont do any exercise (due to waiting for a hip hernia op).... so much to read up on and so little time.

Splot, I've had surgery after my T2 diagnosis and I was absolutely fine with the Nil by Mouth. Please don't be concerned about that.

Good luck with the op.
 

Jaylee

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Type of diabetes
Type 1
Treatment type
Insulin
Cheers - I use an SD codefree (like most people my doctor said not to test). I had a check up for a diebetes prevention programme they are running locally. All because the last 3 yrs I have had blood test and the last one was high (HbA1c 42 I thought really that's not high lol). My BMI is good - my waist is moderate risk and I dont do any exercise (due to waiting for a hip hernia op).... so much to read up on and so little time.

Hey! Nice to see a fellow D from the part of the world i was born in...

Use that meter. It's the only way, day to day you can gauge what the diet is actually doing.
More control than just waiting for the "next" A1c...

Wishing you the best!
 

leslie10152

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Type 2
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Insulin
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I have been very fortunate in that I have been told I am pre-diabetic by my doctor (and no she doesn't think regular testing is needed IE home testing) but she has provided me with entrance to a pre-diabetic clinic (this starts next week). I have also found a work colleague who is a year on from me and has been really helpful (and I have been to her ...."Sandy don't you dare eat that cake!"). I weigh 9st 6 (was 10st 4 a month ago) I'm 5ft 2. I think I have been given this chance to sort my eating habits out because I tend to skip meals ( yes I have just learnt about liver dumping sugar and how bad it is). I'm confused as to why I have this but I'm using it to enhance my life so that I live longer xxx

I have surgery in approx 4 weeks time - how the heck do I deal with the NIL by mouth thingy?
Welcome to the forum @Splot.