LCHF Diet - Wary Of It

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My first post here after registering yesterday. My BS this morning was 10.2 and I know that is way too high. After eating some Sardines in oil for lunch I tested 7.6. Is this good?

Also, I am 21st 2lbs and need to lose about 5 stone. The LCHF seems popular but it worries me a bit. not the LC but the HF. My cholesterol is 6.6 but I am far more concerned about the BS. The high fat bit worries me in case it stops me losing weight or indeed puts weight on me. If i ensure my calorie intake overall is akin to a deficit in order to lose weight will that be OK?

Thanks for any help or support.

Kev
 
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Hi all

My first post here after registering yesterday. My BS this morning was 10.2 and I know that is way too high. After eating some Sardines in oil for lunch I tested 7.6. Is this good?

Also, I am 21st 2lbs and need to lose about 5 stone. The LCHF seems popular but it worries me a bit. not the LC but the HF. My cholesterol is 6.6 but I am far more concerned about the BS. The high fat bit worries me in case it stops me losing weight or indeed puts weight on me. If i ensure my calorie intake overall is akin to a deficit in order to lose weight will that be OK?

Thanks for any help or support.

Kev
You don't have to do the HF if you don't want to, just try the LC and see if it helps.
 
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Hi welcome from me.:)

If I were you I would simply start with the low carb bit. Then if you are hungry add fat. My overall cholesterol went down from 7.6 to 5.6 doing LCHF, fat isn't the culprit. I started with counting calories and low carbing, but later found I was more successful simply following LCHF and not counting calories at all.

Give it a go and come back and ask questions if you need to. Remember to drink plenty of water, it helps with weight loss.
 
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Hi all

My first post here after registering yesterday. My BS this morning was 10.2 and I know that is way too high. After eating some Sardines in oil for lunch I tested 7.6. Is this good?

Also, I am 21st 2lbs and need to lose about 5 stone. The LCHF seems popular but it worries me a bit. not the LC but the HF. My cholesterol is 6.6 but I am far more concerned about the BS. The high fat bit worries me in case it stops me losing weight or indeed puts weight on me. If i ensure my calorie intake overall is akin to a deficit in order to lose weight will that be OK?

Thanks for any help or support.

Kev

Hi Kevin,
Welcome!

As somebody who has no other choice but to eat low carb and eat full fat, the answer to your question is give it a try, it's a better way of eating or diet if you wish than any of the others.
The difference is it actually works!
I have done the rest and not lost weight only put it on!
Start reducing your carbs, then reduce your plate size and increase your walking!
If you like meat and fresh vegetables, you can't go wrong.
And you can have a treat once in a while!

I have been on a low carb full fat lifestyle for over two years and have lost five stones and six inches off my waist line!
Yes, it works!
 
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Does LCHF improve your blood tests? - video lecture by Prof. Ken Sikaris

 

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the thing to remember is that it does not mean eating HIGH Fat foods, like chips and whatnot, it simply means eating the normal versions of Yoghurt, butter, cream, etc instead of the low fat versions, which are usually loaded with carbs.

You still have to keep the calorie count down, so when they say 'eat as much as you like' they don't mean it. I stick to the recommended 2000 calories a day and the weight is coming of nicely. You may choose to go lower on the calorie count, but i wouldn't go so low that you feel hungry after eating. The higher protein and fat should leave you satisfied after each meal, and remember that you can eat loads of veg to fill you up.

I've been doing a moderate low carb diet (carbs for breakfast only in the form of porridge or bran flakes, and maybe a bit of fruit here and there) since July and managed to lose 3 stone, despite being in a boot and cast for a torn achilles all that time. sadly, i lost motivation about 5 weeks ago when i re-injured the leg, and put a couple of takeways down in a strop, but i'm back on it now!

good luck. I am now down to 181 kilos from 200 (32 stone and some down to 29 and some) and if i can lose weight while on the crutches and not allowed to walk, I am certain that if you are determined enough, you'll be successful at losing all the weight you want to in no time! However i guess i am lucky in that even though i am a salad dodger, i do actually love a good salad...


Oh! i almost forgot. Avocados. They are amazing for LCHF!!!
 
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Hi all

My first post here after registering yesterday. My BS this morning was 10.2 and I know that is way too high. After eating some Sardines in oil for lunch I tested 7.6. Is this good?

Also, I am 21st 2lbs and need to lose about 5 stone. The LCHF seems popular but it worries me a bit. not the LC but the HF. My cholesterol is 6.6 but I am far more concerned about the BS. The high fat bit worries me in case it stops me losing weight or indeed puts weight on me. If i ensure my calorie intake overall is akin to a deficit in order to lose weight will that be OK?

Thanks for any help or support.

Kev
LC without the HF will probably make you tired, hungry and generally miserable.

Give it a try. LCHF seems to be a long-term sustainable way of eating for many.
 
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Hi all

My first post here after registering yesterday. My BS this morning was 10.2 and I know that is way too high. After eating some Sardines in oil for lunch I tested 7.6. Is this good?

Also, I am 21st 2lbs and need to lose about 5 stone. The LCHF seems popular but it worries me a bit. not the LC but the HF. My cholesterol is 6.6 but I am far more concerned about the BS. The high fat bit worries me in case it stops me losing weight or indeed puts weight on me. If i ensure my calorie intake overall is akin to a deficit in order to lose weight will that be OK?

Thanks for any help or support.

Kev

You need to cut down on the carbs, so yes, go for the LC.
But if you do load up on high fat, you may find you're disappointed.
For example, sardines are a naturally oily fish. You don't need to add extra oil, so don't buy the fish in oil version.

As others suggest, simply eat less carbs initially.
 

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HI and welcome.
I will tag @daisy1 who will post helpful information for newcomers. Plenty to read there.
It's the carbs that we need to limit as that is what raises blood sugar.
 
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I'd follow what these guys say - LCHF does work. Though I will note something, too. When you first start low carbing, follow it through - there's something, which if I remember correctly, is called a Low Carb Honeymoon - during which weight will tumble, but when you go off it, the weight loss is much slower.

That remembered, you need to lose weight slowly - it's taken me some four years to go from 20 stone to 14 stone 5 (or 8, depending on the day) and I'm still trying to get below 14, and it's not easy.

Look into cooking food from fresh, if you can - you'll learn SO much about the carb, fat, sugar and salt levels in your food - I tend top trawl the bargain bins - it's amazing what you can make. Really tastey, slow cooked meets, even skanky looking veggies get used for stocks.

Don't forget the exercise, too... whatever works for you!

If you're worried, ask the guys here, there is a SHED load of info - take a look at the low carb videos, too.

Don't forget to speak to your GP, too - and also talk to people on here - many have been where you are and have oodles of tips and advice!

All the best
 
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I think you are wise to be wary of the calories you could consume if you over do the High Fat.

You need to find your own "sweet spot" where you are able to have enough energy, but also where you will lose weight.

As said earlier, when you cut out the pointless carbs you will lose weight straight away, but after a few weeks you will need to tweak your diet to find one that suits your body.
 

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1. Eating healthy fat does not make you fat.

2. That fat found in food derived from animals, and in food such as avocado and nuts etc, is bad for us in one of the biggest hunks of crock we ever got fed to us.

(1 a, it's time to say it like it is - two a, - I've got jetlag really badly so I can't be pissing around saying it nicely.) (Sorry about that!)

I'll say it nicer and add links and evidential chains next time!
 
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Excellent advice given here, think of it as Low Carb Full Fat if that helps. I use an app called My Fitness Pal to track what I eat and generally manage on 40g Carbs, 85g Fat, 60g Protein which comes out to roughly 1250 calories a day. The weight is just coming off so easily and I don't feel hungry. My cholesterol is also coming down :happy:
 
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My first post here after registering yesterday. My BS this morning was 10.2 and I know that is way too high. After eating some Sardines in oil for lunch I tested 7.6. Is this good?

Also, I am 21st 2lbs and need to lose about 5 stone. The LCHF seems popular but it worries me a bit. not the LC but the HF. My cholesterol is 6.6 but I am far more concerned about the BS. The high fat bit worries me in case it stops me losing weight or indeed puts weight on me. If i ensure my calorie intake overall is akin to a deficit in order to lose weight will that be OK?

Thanks for any help or support.

Kev
Type 2, diagnosed on 6th October 2015, metformin twice a day. 23 stone back then. I've lost 4 stone so far. Carbohydrates are the worst idea ever. Back in the 70's we were encouraged to go to work on an egg and eat cakes, They were naughty but nice. Now we have 5 a day and it is causing problems. Watch the overall calories, exercise and stick with it. Plenty of recipes out there. And here's the science. If your blood sugar gets too high, the insulin will convert lettuce into fat - it's all down to managing your blood sugar - you will soon loose the fat - but it does take exercise. (I'm 50) Good luck
 
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Hey Kevin :)
I started to eat a LCHF diet approx 3 months ago. My experience was that initially I was adding extra fat to things to help me stay satiated. But I've noticed this has dropped off significantly as I've continued with the diet. Before, after my meal, I would eat sugar free jelly or strawberries or both! with cream. I was rarely without a few babybel cheeses or bags of nuts to snack on. These days I may have it during the evening on a weekend if I fancy a treat. I haven't consciously decided to cut down, it just happened naturally as your body gets used to a new way of eating. Throughout the whole experience I have continued to lose weight slowly but surely. I've lost over 1.5 stones.
So, I wouldn't worry too much about the fat you eat at this stage. Let your body do it in its own time. As long as you make sure you have plenty of fresh veg in your diet, you'll be fine. I can't promise its easy, because the lure of those great tasting carbs can be hard to resist! But I can promise that you will find it satisfying in terms of your lack of hunger pangs.
Good luck xx
 
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1. Eating healthy fat does not make you fat.

2. That fat found in food derived from animals, and in food such as avocado and nuts etc, is bad for us in one of the biggest hunks of crock we ever got fed to us.

(1 a, it's time to say it like it is - two a, - I've got jetlag really badly so I can't be pissing around saying it nicely.) (Sorry about that!)

I'll say it nicer and add links and evidential chains next time!

A very (incorrect, certainly for me) sweeping statement.
Eating fat, or carbs, or protein, in excess of my personal calorie threshold, piles it on me.

So, the op can have both sides of the coin, unlimited fat, with no weight gain, or limited calories, with no weight gain.
I think both groups are represented on this thread.
Worth knowing, and it only takes scales to work out which group you're in.

As to saturated fat, that's another topic entirely.
 
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Healthy fat converts to energy rather directly, is my understanding of the nutritional science. Excess protein can convert to glucose in the blood, which is why the LCHFers and diabetic LCHFers in particular, talk about watching the fact that you don't eat too much protein for your body type and activity level. ie - if you consume too much protein for you - it will convert to the dreaded glucose for us in the blood. Carbs - well we all know about carbs! Especially in relation to we carbohydrate intolerant diabetics. Fat and protein are essential macronutrients. Carbohydrates are not. (If we need them, our body can make them - or the glucose that is essential from them.) Not true of the other two food groups.

Getting us to cut down on dietary fat was one of the greatest most disastrous to our health nutritional experiments of all time. Nothing like eating it again, the way we have evolved to, to make you realise how good eating enough fat can make you feel.
 
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Heavier in my case.
I guess my body didn't read the same book, sadly for me.
 
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Hi Kevin and welcome. As you can probably gather, LCHF is always an emotive topic here! It can be a bit overwhelming at first, especially when you have weight to lose too, but there is a simple way to see if it works for you.
Get yourself a meter (type 2's are rarely given them!), the SD Codefree is basic but good, and test your levels first thing, before meals and two hours after. Maybe do this for a month and see how your levels are when cutting the carbs - also see how your weight responds. Your 7.6 isn't bad at all by the way, within official guidelines, though many of us aim for "normal" non diabetic levels.

At the end of the month, see how you feel about it and take it from there:)
 
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Hello Kev and welcome to the forum :) Loads of good advice above. To add to this here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask more questions as you need to and someone will be able to help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

LOW CARB PROGRAM:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/low carb program


Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.