Big surprise! Type 2

Fjellreven

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Going through the MDs door for a routine check-up, coming out with a type 2 diagnosis. Wow! How in the world did this happen? True, I am 51. But, in my best shape ever: slim, muscular, athletic, doing mountain climbing, kayaking, skiing, biking, squash, running 3-4-5 times a week. Eating habits? Non-meat, low on carbo. Drinking habits? Very modest, a few beers a week, no sodas, coffee w/o sugar. And still!

So, limited room for lifestyle improvements - which sucks, as this pretty much means meds forever I suspect. My first&only medication, except the annual paracetamol.

Anyone sharing this experience?

Apart from getting a bit angry with my gene pool, I do not intend to go emotional on this, but I really want the get a grasp on how I can best sustain an active lifestyle going forward.
 

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Welcome to the forum @Fjellreven

Being diagnosed with diabetes does come as quite a shock, however your not alone and your in good company here, I'm going to tag @daisy1 as she has some great information that you should find useful. Best wishes.
 
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@Fjellreven

Hello and welcome to the forum :) I felt shocked too and wouldn't believe I had diabetes for quite a long time. But you have done the right thing joining this forum as you will meet lots of people with similar problems and concerns to you. Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you need to and someone will be able to help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
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L_J

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Don't you hate it when people say, "but you're too slim for diabetes!"?
At least I can blame my kids' for mine: four lots of gestational diabetes was really pushing my luck, I guess!
 

Fjellreven

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And now my hormone tests are back, defining me as type 1/LADA. Grrr! But with 1000mgs/day of metformin and a low-carb menu my BG readings for the past four weeks have been pretty normal, and I clearly expect my hba1c readings next week to be down to healthy levels. Given my readings my doc wants me to reduce metformin from 1000mgs daily to 500mgs and see what happens.

Any advice on what to expect going forward?
 

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Its early days for you at the moment but by the looks of it you are doing well. It can take time to get over the shock and settle down into your new lifestyle so to speak but as long as you dont let it get you down and you keep moving forward you will be fine.
 

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Going through the MDs door for a routine check-up, coming out with a type 2 diagnosis. Wow! How in the world did this happen? True, I am 51. But, in my best shape ever: slim, muscular, athletic, doing mountain climbing, kayaking, skiing, biking, squash, running 3-4-5 times a week. Eating habits? Non-meat, low on carbo. Drinking habits? Very modest, a few beers a week, no sodas, coffee w/o sugar. And still!

So, limited room for lifestyle improvements - which sucks, as this pretty much means meds forever I suspect. My first&only medication, except the annual paracetamol.

Anyone sharing this experience?

Apart from getting a bit angry with my gene pool, I do not intend to go emotional on this, but I really want the get a grasp on how I can best sustain an active lifestyle going forward.

Hi Fjellreven,

It is a shock isnt it. I am not the fittest of men but still a shock when i got diagnosed.
I have to say the first few weeks was whirl wind with all different appointments and options and changes..... A lot to take in.

You have indeed come to the best place. The amount of information you can find here is amazing. Get as much information as you can, the more you learn the more control you can get over your diabetes.

Good luck!
 

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I'm very curious as to why your MD tested for diabetes or had you been ill?
One thing for sure you sound confident enough to challenge your diabetes and make it work for you and not the other way around.
Keep fit and don't stress your system too much.
Those carbs can mess with your insulin needs.
Take all advice given then check it here with experienced diabetics. Just remember the meter will keep you right.
Have fun making some changes.
We are all here for you. :)
 

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I think I was in shock for days after being diagnosed, I could not believe it and did not believe i had not notice the signs before hand .....welcome to the forum :)
 

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Hi, I'm in a similar position. 47, fitter than I've ever been. spin classes and regular mountain biking. Reasonably healthy diet which has just gone to a LC medium fat diet !! Very little alcohol. only risk factor is my dad type 2 from age 65 !
I'm still in shock 4 weeks in. I have refused meds ( HBA1C 7.9 ) and will low carb for 3 months to see if I can get this under control with diet alone ( nurse wanted me on metformin) . last HBA1C test after 3 weeks LC diet was 7.6 :)
I'm eating to the meter, and now averaging GC levels of 7.7 but there has been a couple of big spikes in this when I've made the wrong food choice ( 3 Weetabix spiked me to 13. 5 from 7.6 !! ) and pate on 2 pieces of wholemeal toast took me from 7.4 to 10.2 !
Wheat is a definite no-no for me.

Got another HBA1c test 11th Jan - I WILL be below 7 !!
 
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And now my hormone tests are back, defining me as type 1/LADA. Grrr! But with 1000mgs/day of metformin and a low-carb menu my BG readings for the past four weeks have been pretty normal, and I clearly expect my hba1c readings next week to be down to healthy levels. Given my readings my doc wants me to reduce metformin from 1000mgs daily to 500mgs and see what happens.

Any advice on what to expect going forward?

Now that you have been reclassified as a LADA it might be a good idea to post on the LADA board as many people there were misdiagnosed as Type 2 @Fjellreven
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/category/type-1-5-lada-diabetes.41/
 

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Hi, I'm in a similar position. 47, fitter than I've ever been. spin classes and regular mountain biking. Reasonably healthy diet which has just gone to a LC medium fat diet !! Very little alcohol. only risk factor is my dad type 2 from age 65 !
I'm still in shock 4 weeks in. I have refused meds ( HBA1C 7.9 ) and will low carb for 3 months to see if I can get this under control with diet alone ( nurse wanted me on metformin) . last HBA1C test after 3 weeks LC diet was 7.6 :)
I'm eating to the meter, and now averaging GC levels of 7.7 but there has been a couple of big spikes in this when I've made the wrong food choice ( 3 Weetabix spiked me to 13. 5 from 7.6 !! ) and pate on 2 pieces of wholemeal toast took me from 7.4 to 10.2 !
Wheat is a definite no-no for me.

Got another HBA1c test 11th Jan - I WILL be below 7 !!

Have you tried the Lidl high protein rolls loads here eat them when they are not able to eat any other kind of bread also a lot have Burgen Lindseed and Soya bread me included. I don't like the rolls but sometimes only bread will do like soldiers with a boiled egg or cheese on toast then I will have the Burgen bread
 

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Hi, I'm in a similar position. 47, fitter than I've ever been. spin classes and regular mountain biking. Reasonably healthy diet which has just gone to a LC medium fat diet !! Very little alcohol. only risk factor is my dad type 2 from age 65 !
I'm still in shock 4 weeks in. I have refused meds ( HBA1C 7.9 ) and will low carb for 3 months to see if I can get this under control with diet alone ( nurse wanted me on metformin) . last HBA1C test after 3 weeks LC diet was 7.6 :)
I'm eating to the meter, and now averaging GC levels of 7.7 but there has been a couple of big spikes in this when I've made the wrong food choice ( 3 Weetabix spiked me to 13. 5 from 7.6 !! ) and pate on 2 pieces of wholemeal toast took me from 7.4 to 10.2 !
Wheat is a definite no-no for me.

Got another HBA1c test 11th Jan - I WILL be below 7 !!

You sound like you have the right attitude for sure!
I had grandparents on both sides that where type 2 later in life so i guess genetics plays a part.

Keep us updated on your results in Jan - Cant wait to hear you say its below 7 :)

Untill then, just research as much as you can and learn how to control your sugars!

Good luck
 

humphreydog

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Have tried Burgen bread and I like it. However it was before I got my meter so couldn't test. The shop didn't have any so missus bought wholemeal as an alternative. Will try the Burgen again - boiled egg on toast with lots of salt mmmmmmmmmm :)

No Lidl nearby but next time I pass one I will pop in and buy some. Thanks for the advice/encouragement.

Will be keep you updated on my progress. No drugs for me if at all possible !!!
 

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Hi Fjellreven
This is my first post and I guess I'm somewhat similar. Suspicion of mine came up at an annual medical in September and confirmed as T2 in the following weeks. It was real shocker as I was not too overweight (1.91m and 84kg), kept myself in reasonably good shape (walking/cycling) and watched what I ate (pulses/wholemeal/low fat options). I felt fine too. I declined meds and doctor agreed that I could try adjusting my diet and upping my exercise initially. I've lost 6kg and my HBA1C has come down from 76 three months ago, 64 six weeks later and 46 last week. I must admit I found the parsimonious diet difficult, especially cutting right back bread, pasta, rice and beer but fear prompted me to be pretty obsessive. Looking at the comments on the forum I guess that was the "sprint" and I have the "marathon" ahead.

Anyway hoping to get a bit of inspiration for the long haul having just signed up to this site. . Looks like I have plenty to read up on!

All the Best.
 
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My Dr, or so he calls himself said it was impossible for me to be diabetic because I wasn't fat, lol. Sad part was I am 5'8 and was down to 96 #'s gong to him for weight loss. Needless to say he has been fired!
 

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They say lose weight and the diabetes will go but sadly did not happen in my case ...lost a lot of weight and the diabetes progressed....my brother has had diabetes for many years so guess it is in the genes :arghh:
 

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Hi @Tully and welcome to the forum. Well done on the weight and HbAic reductions. The change in diet is difficult at first but you do get used to it. Keep up the good work!