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Hi all, been diagnosed with type 2 this morning, after a few horrible weeks of testing and changing diets, been put on 1 500mg Metformin tablets, and have to go back too the diabetic nurse next week!

just a question, my meter reads yesterday were
11.3mmol/L first thing after waking up
15.4mmol/L 2 hrs after breakfast
17.1mmol/L 2 hrs after lunch
13.4mmol/L 2 hrs after dinner
14.5mmol/L 4hrs after that before bed

does this seem normal? will the Metformin bring it down to a normal level? i will be taking my first one with my dinner
 
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Welcome to the Diabetes forum.
You really need to know what the initial readings were before eating and then again 2 hours later to know what effet the food you have just eaten had , and by how much it raised your Blood Glucose levels. However all the figures that you have mentioned are really too high including your initial Blood Glucose level upon waking first thing in the morning as well as all the other readings that you've posted, but it's early days and metformin takes a short time (several days) to become effective, and then it only lowers B/G levels by a small amount.
It would be worth your while looking into the LCHF diet and considering using it in conjunction with that Metformin tablets as well as some simple regular exercise.
As to how long it would take, well - How long is a piece of string - It very much depends upon the Individual, their lifestyle, diet and stress levels.
If your new to taking Metformin it may in some instances take a short time to get used to, and you may also experience a few side effects until your body becomes accustomed to it. If the side effects persist there is a Slow Release version of Metformin that many find more acceptable and has less side effects...
 
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Hello Paulcunny. Welcome to the Forum. I'll tag @daisy1 to give you some basic information for newly diagnosed. :)
 

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@Paulcunny

Hello Paul and welcome to the forum :) Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. There is lots of advice on here to help you to get the hang of things. Ask questions when you need to and someone will be able to help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

LOW CARB PROGRAM:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/low carb program


Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
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Hi and welcome!

From what I have read of metformin, it takes a few weeks for it to build up in the system (have to take the tablets consistently). Once this happens, it has a general lowering effect on blood glucose. This means that it will (on average) lower your HBA1c result by approx 1.1% (which works about at about 1.5mmol/l.



So if your average reading is 8.5 mmol/l, the meformin on max dose, will lower your reading to an average 7mmol/l

I have to say that I think diet and exercise are FAR more effective, but that metformin can be a very useful tool.

You may find this video link interesting.
 
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thanks all! I can't seem to find a 'like' button thingie for all your posts & advice! but it is very much appreciated :) and i will keep a close eye on the forum, as i think they are far better than getting information for such things!
 
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Hi Paulcunny. Your welcome. At the bottom you will see: Like & Reply, just tap on Like if you like the post, and your name will appear on the posting.:)
 
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Hi all, been diagnosed with type 2 this morning, after a few horrible weeks of testing and changing diets, been put on 1 500mg Metformin tablets, and have to go back too the diabetic nurse next week!

just a question, my meter reads yesterday were
11.3mmol/L first thing after waking up
15.4mmol/L 2 hrs after breakfast
17.1mmol/L 2 hrs after lunch
13.4mmol/L 2 hrs after dinner
14.5mmol/L 4hrs after that before bed

does this seem normal? will the Metformin bring it down to a normal level? i will be taking my first one with my dinner

That seems to me like a very low dose of metformin for the numbers you are reporting - if you are expecting medication to make the difference. It is the same dose I'm on, and I was around 8.7 mmol/L (average) at diagnosis. If I recall correctly, it was about 3 weeks before the medication (rather than diet) seemed to make a difference - and the only difference was that my fasting blood glucose finally dropped into the normal range.

FWIW, the vast majority of what allows me to control my blood glucose is excessive testing and elimination from my diet of foods that elevate my blood sugar.
 
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That seems to me like a very low dose of metformin for the numbers you are reporting - if you are expecting medication to make the difference. It is the same dose I'm on, and I was around 8.7 mmol/L (average) at diagnosis. If I recall correctly, it was about 3 weeks before the medication (rather than diet) seemed to make a difference - and the only difference was that my fasting blood glucose finally dropped into the normal range.

FWIW, the vast majority of what allows me to control my blood glucose is excessive testing and elimination from my diet of foods that elevate my blood sugar.
i've got to go back to the diabetic nurse on Tuesday! TBH my diet is pretty good already! my wife is a Slimming world expert, so i pretty much eat the same as her! and i am a good wieght for my height

2 hours after my dinner tonight, my reading was 20.1mmol/L, I don't feel any different, apart from being tired all the time

I'm new to all this diabetes stuff, and have not got a clue why it's happening? only thing is my dad is diabetic, so maybe I've inherited it? he got it when he was around the same age as me (34) maybe they'll up the dose?
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Are you type 1 or type 2? It makes a big difference. :)
I have just realised that my last post assumed you were a T2, but your avatar does not give your type.

If you are T2, what have you eaten during the day before taking those readings?
 
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People are usually started on small doses of metformin, increasing slowly over several weeks. Some people (a lot, judging by forum posts) experience an 'adjustment period'

Metformin is often referred to as Metfartin, and some people need to be near a bathroom while they adjust to the dose.
 
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Hi @Brunneria - on Paulcunny's introduction (yesterday) it states that he is Type 2. - Liam1955.
 
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Hi. @Brunneria -Could it possibly be?= Paul's wife is a slimming world expert and eats the same diet!!! Your by far the BETTER expert :)than I to fathom this out? Liam
 
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thanks all for replying!

I'm type 2!

today, i had bacon & scrambled eggs for breakfast

fish for lunch, cooked in the oven with tomatoes and onions (it was awesome)

for dinner i had turkey mince curry (made with chopped tomatoes, spices and mixed beans) no rice, just on it's own
 
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thanks all for replying!

I'm type 2!

today, i had bacon & scrambled eggs for breakfast

fish for lunch, cooked in the oven with tomatoes and onions (it was awesome)

for dinner i had turkey mince curry (made with chopped tomatoes, spices and mixed beans) no rice, just on it's own

Thank you :)

Your diet looks very low carb. So long as you are not eating bread, rice, pasta, potato, tropical fruit, sugar, etc. i would not expect that your bg be in the 20s for long.

Is it dropping gently over time?
How long have you been low carbing like this?
(Gotta go to bed now, but will pick up again tomorrow :) )
 
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Hi. And do you drink plenty of fluids through out the day? = such as water, unsweetened tea and coffee? Don't get worried as it tends to raise your blood sugars. (Brunneria is one of the BEST on this forum in my eyes.) I too have to go to bed, have not been well today. :)