Consistently high BG for 14days 12.3( fasting)-26.3 ( after minimum carb meals)

DominicLaiYew

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Hi Friends,
just diagnose with T2 & taking Metformin 500mg twice daily.
After seing my GP, he prescibe me with Metformin & told me to monitor my BS for 30days & come back to him.

As i don't have any systoms connected to the high BS sickness, for last 14days i have been very careful with my meal & avoided & reduced almost 60% of carbs that i eat as this keep me thinking of all the sugar that is left over in my blood.

My questios are:
1. At these levels 12 fasting & day average 18 mmo/L how can i bring it down quickly?
2. The most obviuos is ommiting all carbs & sugary foods & cutting down portions which is quite painful, any other suggestions?
3. I am also a avid runner doing 40km a week
4. Reading all i can on T2 stuff & welcome some more of you advice
 

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Hi and welcome @DominicLaiYew
I will tag @daisy1 who will post a very helpful guide for newcomers.
There is a lot to take in but you are making a good start. If you test before a meal and 2 hours after you will see the effect what you ate had on your readings. To begin with it is very helpful to write everything down. Your readings and what you ate. Then you can see what different foods do to your readings. Yes it is carbs that have most effect so you may need to limit them, Particularly things like bread, rice, pasta and potatoes. If you then post again saying what is happening people will give you some advice based on their experience. Do ask questions and we will try and help. Exercise should be helpful.
 

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Hello Dominic and welcome to the forum :) Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful and interesting. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will be able to help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

LOW CARB PROGRAM:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/low carb program


Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 

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Hello Dominic,
My fasting BS this morning was 5.5 mmol. I'm trying the Newcastle Diet & have lost 24 lbs in 8.5 weeks.
I avoid all carbs if poss with the exception of a Scottish Oatcake now & then, & all sugar. I cannot escape suagr in fruit!
I cook with olive oil, & curry veg for a change & do veg stir fries to ring the changes. Look on the web for making your own curry sauce & then do curried eggs....they are yummy. I drink tea quite a lot & have 3 Metformin tabs a day.
ATB, Terry.
 
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Be patient, let your meds work and your changes take effect, I am new to this and somewhat obsessed with stats, in vs out and spikes. Document everything. change one thing at a time then you will know if it has worked for you and you alone. You may need some carbs, you may choose minimal carbs, you will find a balance in time, so be kind to yourself, read lots of advice, some will be good, some will wrong for you. However drink lots of water and allow yourself time to heal.
 
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Hi Friends,
just diagnose with T2 & taking Metformin 500mg twice daily.
After seing my GP, he prescibe me with Metformin & told me to monitor my BS for 30days & come back to him.

As i don't have any systoms connected to the high BS sickness, for last 14days i have been very careful with my meal & avoided & reduced almost 60% of carbs that i eat as this keep me thinking of all the sugar that is left over in my blood.

My questios are:
1. At these levels 12 fasting & day average 18 mmo/L how can i bring it down quickly?
2. The most obviuos is ommiting all carbs & sugary foods & cutting down portions which is quite painful, any other suggestions?
3. I am also a avid runner doing 40km a week
4. Reading all i can on T2 stuff & welcome some more of you advice
Are you sure you have type 2 diabetes and not misdiagnosed as those reading would indicate perhaps looking into type 1
 
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I would try get in and see the GP again asap with the readings as something is not right at all, good luck and keep us updated
 

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Hi Friends,
just diagnose with T2 & taking Metformin 500mg twice daily.
After seing my GP, he prescibe me with Metformin & told me to monitor my BS for 30days & come back to him.

As i don't have any systoms connected to the high BS sickness, for last 14days i have been very careful with my meal & avoided & reduced almost 60% of carbs that i eat as this keep me thinking of all the sugar that is left over in my blood.

My questios are:
1. At these levels 12 fasting & day average 18 mmo/L how can i bring it down quickly?
2. The most obviuos is ommiting all carbs & sugary foods & cutting down portions which is quite painful, any other suggestions?
3. I am also a avid runner doing 40km a week
4. Reading all i can on T2 stuff & welcome some more of you advice

Metaformin is kinda useless all by itself, though taken with Glipzide, expect a lot of weight gain. Ask your doctor about Invokana. Works for me and no weight gain. Dropped my BG from an average off 22 to 12. Still a little high, but I'm also on COPD drugs which jack my BG somewhat.
 

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What is the Newcastle diet? I keep seeing it referred to (like on this thread) but not sure what it is apart form being low carb.
 

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Hi Friends,
just diagnose with T2 & taking Metformin 500mg twice daily.
After seing my GP, he prescibe me with Metformin & told me to monitor my BS for 30days & come back to him.

As i don't have any systoms connected to the high BS sickness, for last 14days i have been very careful with my meal & avoided & reduced almost 60% of carbs that i eat as this keep me thinking of all the sugar that is left over in my blood.

My questios are:
1. At these levels 12 fasting & day average 18 mmo/L how can i bring it down quickly?
2. The most obviuos is ommiting all carbs & sugary foods & cutting down portions which is quite painful, any other suggestions?
3. I am also a avid runner doing 40km a week
4. Reading all i can on T2 stuff & welcome some more of you advice
Hi dom
Nothing to do with diabetes is easy to understand, maybe it's your body's reaction to having less suger than normal, it might just need time to adjust. I was a ultra distance runner in a previous life, stopped due to arthritis, it has took me over a year to get my head around LCHF eating due mainly due to the train of thought runners need carbs. Only in the last couple of weeks following it have I realised the benefits and plan to carry on. Monitoring is essential I was lucky I got a meter from day I due to very high reading (stress) I believe caused it. So carry on doing what you think and take note of the valuable information offered by the educated members of this forum
Remember "who cares who wins" as long as it's you
Take care
Dave
 

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LCHF should work if you give time and do it properly.

At least in the initial few weeks or so aim for near zero carbs then with testing you can re-introduce some carbs.
No all carbs are equal in effect you and the effects vary between individuals so you need to self-test.
The hard bit is you will be turning almost everything that is accepted wisdom on good diet on it's head.
 

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You need a little time to let it work - with diabetes lots of other factors can affect your readings - stress, illness etc. Keep trying the low carb and testing food to see what works. Good luck.
 

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Hi Dom, One thing I would add to the advice you have been given here, and that is to avoid fasting for too long, at least until you have your numbers under better control. The problem with fasting is that it can trigger what is known as liver dump, which is a natural self defense mechanism where the liver dumps large quantity of stored glucose into the blood if the body senses starvation. I get it if I skip breakfast, (i.e. I don't eat for 18 hours). Later on you may find fasting to be a useful tool to cut the carbs, but you need to understand how to use it properly.

PS I was between 15 and 33+ when I started taking control of my condition, now a reading above 7 is a rarity. Persevere, and a low carb diet will kick in and surprise you. My GP and I used to joke about me getting hypo's, and now I am running my bgl close to the wind.
 
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Hi Friends,
just diagnose with T2 & taking Metformin 500mg twice daily.
After seing my GP, he prescibe me with Metformin & told me to monitor my BS for 30days & come back to him.

As i don't have any systoms connected to the high BS sickness, for last 14days i have been very careful with my meal & avoided & reduced almost 60% of carbs that i eat as this keep me thinking of all the sugar that is left over in my blood.

My questios are:
1. At these levels 12 fasting & day average 18 mmo/L how can i bring it down quickly?
2. The most obviuos is ommiting all carbs & sugary foods & cutting down portions which is quite painful, any other suggestions?
3. I am also a avid runner doing 40km a week
4. Reading all i can on T2 stuff & welcome some more of you advice
What is your carb reduction to ? 20g .. 30g a day ? if your going this low then you need to get back to your Dr as the bs should be reducing by now !
 

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Hi Friends,
just diagnose with T2 & taking Metformin 500mg twice daily.
After seing my GP, he prescibe me with Metformin & told me to monitor my BS for 30days & come back to him.

As i don't have any systoms connected to the high BS sickness, for last 14days i have been very careful with my meal & avoided & reduced almost 60% of carbs that i eat as this keep me thinking of all the sugar that is left over in my blood.

My questios are:
1. At these levels 12 fasting & day average 18 mmo/L how can i bring it down quickly?
2. The most obviuos is ommiting all carbs & sugary foods & cutting down portions which is quite painful, any other suggestions?
3. I am also a avid runner doing 40km a week
4. Reading all i can on T2 stuff & welcome some more of you advice

In my case, it was a forced, drastic drop.

While seeing a urologist for a tight bladder neck, he noticed that my urine test showed 4+ sugar (supposed to be 0, and 4+ was a lot), and told me to see a diabetic specialist, suspecting I had diabetes. I went back to work and forgot all about it.

It was after a couple of weeks feeling weak and drained everyday and losing more weight (I am not overweight) when I remembered what my urologist said. I visited a General Practice doctor in the evening, he found I had 18 mmo/L fasting reading (I hadn't eaten anything after lunch). He was so concerned about ketones that he referred me to go to the hospital immediately, at the emergency unit.

So I reached the hospital and the doctor in charge of the emergency unit was likewise concerned after testing and getting 18 as well, and wanted to inject me with insulin. He later changed his mind and got me into bed instead and a nurse applied an insulin drip, and took a blood test at the same time. After 2 hours, I got 6 mmo/l. The doctor didn't want to discharge me as he wanted me observed further, but I told him I had to work the next day. He then referred me to a diabetic doctor in the same hospital for a visit 2 days later, saying he would send over my blood test results ,and to watch out about my food. Leaving the hospital, I was really feeling miles better.

That's how it all started for me. The first readings I got with my diabetes doctor was 11, and it's been a lot better since.

So that's how the hospital brought down my BS in 2 hours ...

Since rice is a staple here, it's a carb that's hard for me to be without, so I substituted it with low GI rice. It's basmati rice, but a selected variety for lowest Gi, and tastes just like ... rice ( http://diabeticshop.com.sg/rice-c-22_21/dreamrice-low-gi-rice-2kg-p-125 ). You might find something similar in China.

I don't have a special meal for myself separate from the family, I eat whatever is on the table. If it doesn't suit my BS, I take it light and fill myself up more by taking Glucerna Triplecare (https://abbottfamily.com.sg/products/glucerna-triple-care?&pc=tr), it helps for me.
 
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In my case, it was a forced, drastic drop.

While seeing a urologist for a tight bladder neck, he noticed that my urine test showed 4+ sugar (supposed to be 0, and 4+ was a lot), and told me to see a diabetic specialist, suspecting I had diabetes. I went back to work and forgot all about it.

It was after a couple of weeks feeling weak and drained everyday and losing more weight (I am not overweight) when I remembered what my urologist said. I visited a General Practice doctor in the evening, he found I had 18 mmo/L fasting reading (I hadn't eaten anything after lunch). He was so concerned about ketones that he referred me to go to the hospital immediately, at the emergency unit.

So I reached the hospital and the doctor in charge of the emergency unit was likewise concerned after testing and getting 18 as well, and wanted to inject me with insulin. He later changed his mind and got me into bed instead and a nurse applied an insulin drip, and took a blood test at the same time. After 2 hours, I got 6 mmo/l. The doctor didn't want to discharge me as he wanted me observed further, but I told him I had to work the next day. He then referred me to a diabetic doctor in the same hospital for a visit 2 days later, saying he would send over my blood test results ,and to watch out about my food. Leaving the hospital, I was really feeling miles better.

That's how it all started for me. The first readings I got with my diabetes doctor was 11, and it's been a lot better since.

So that's how the hospital brought down my BS in 2 hours ...

Since rice is a staple here, it's a carb that's hard for me to be without, so I substituted it with low GI rice. It's basmati rice, but a selected variety for lowest Gi, and tastes just like ... rice ( http://diabeticshop.com.sg/rice-c-22_21/dreamrice-low-gi-rice-2kg-p-125 ). You might find something similar in China.

I don't have a special meal for myself separate from the family, I eat whatever is on the table. If it doesn't suit my BS, I take it light and fill myself up more by taking Glucerna Triplecare (https://abbottfamily.com.sg/products/glucerna-triple-care?&pc=tr), it helps for me.

Personally, I'd NEVER have any factory processed "food" created for diabetics. It's just a bunch of sugar and chemicals. There is no way it's healthy. Here's an interesting critic of glucerna shakes (similar ingredients to the triple care stuff):

https://thenontoxiclife.wordpress.com/2014/01/28/are-so-called-nutrition-drinks-making-us-sicker/

As for what you're eating, you really should get a blood glucose meter and test after meals. That's the only way to know. If you do have a blood glucose meter, this web page gives excellent advice on how to use it to reduce your blood glucose levels:

http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14045524.php
 
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MarcoRiveira

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Personally, I'd NEVER have any factory processed "food" created for diabetics. It's just a bunch of sugar and chemicals. There is no way it's healthy. Here's an interesting critic of glucerna shakes (similar ingredients to the triple care stuff):

https://thenontoxiclife.wordpress.com/2014/01/28/are-so-called-nutrition-drinks-making-us-sicker/

As for what you're eating, you really should get a blood glucose meter and test after meals. That's the only way to know. If you do have a blood glucose meter, this web page gives excellent advice on how to use it to reduce your blood glucose levels:

http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14045524.php

Thanks for the information. Well, my kid grew up on factory processed Similac powder by Abbott since my wife could not produce enough milk, I guess I just like Abbott powder.
 

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Thanks for the information. Well, my kid grew up on factory processed Similac powder by Abbott since my wife could not produce enough milk, I guess I just like Abbott powder.
I like cake and pastries. Should I eat them as a staple in my diet? Not if I value my health.
 

DominicLaiYew

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Hi Dom, One thing I would add to the advice you have been given here, and that is to avoid fasting for too long, at least until you have your numbers under better control. The problem with fasting is that it can trigger what is known as liver dump, which is a natural self defense mechanism where the liver dumps large quantity of stored glucose into the blood if the body senses starvation. I get it if I skip breakfast, (i.e. I don't eat for 18 hours). Later on you may find fasting to be a useful tool to cut the carbs, but you need to understand how to use it properly.

PS I was between 15 and 33+ when I started taking control of my condition, now a reading above 7 is a rarity. Persevere, and a low carb diet will kick in and surprise you. My GP and I used to joke about me getting hypo's, and now I am running my bgl close to the wind.
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