Newly diagnosed... but with no advice given

El86

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Hi,
I was diagnosed with Pre - diabetes, Type 2. With PCOS as a factor into it.
I went to my Doctor in December 2015, worried about the fact that i had put on 4 stones in 2 years even though i was trying to diet and loose weight through Slimming World. My doctor was really helpful in the fact that when i went it was just after christmas and i thought he would just fob me off. But he did a fasting blood, and when it came back my blood sugar was very high.
He put me on Metformin 2 x 500, twice a day. Other than this i have had no other help or advice or been seen since, i just get a repeat on my meds when i run out.
I sometimes still get the 'sugar shakes' and also a very fast pulse which can make everything hard from walking, concentrating, holding things and especially sleeping.
I just wondered if anyone has any advice on diet and controlling things? I dont test my sugar levels or anything.
Any help would be greatly appriciated.
Thanks x
 
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Prem51

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Hi @E186 and welcome to the forum. Have a read around the threads and you will see that many of us have adopted a Low Carbohydrate High Fat approach to eating which has worked for us in reducing bloods sugar levels and weight.
That means avoiding or reducing starchy carbohydrates like bread, potatoes, pasta and rice as much as possible, and replacing them by increasing consumption of healthy dairy fats, and foods like oily fish, avocadoes and nuts.
 
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Brunneria

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Hi and welcome!

Yes, there is masses of diet info here on the forum - some of it conflicting. lol.
My view is that blood glucose control is key, and that basically means not eating much of foods that send bg sky rocketing. Prem51 has listed the usual suspects.

@daisy1 has a lovely intro post that gives you the basics, but a lot of us take it much further. :)

You may also see LOTS of references to getting your own meter, and self testing bg. I cannot recommend it enough. It allows you to tailor make your own personal diet, which is key to this condition.
 
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Lazybones

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It would sound that you have unfortunately finally crossed the threshold level that has made you doctor confirm your diabetes (Fasting Test that you know about) and I suspect they also did a HbA1c test at the same time so that your Type 2 diabetes was finally confirmed.
You need to ask your doctor if this was the case and he/she says that they did, then welcome to our diabetes club. Your doctor should also, apart from prescribing the Metformin medication to help control your diabetes (it's frequently prescribed for people who are overweight) arrange for you to see the diabetic nurse and a NHS dietician and also enrol you for regular eye screening to carefully monitor your eyes.
Many of us here on this diabetic site, including myself, have frequently 'crossed swords' with the NHS dieticians and have found their standard party line advice to be completely wrong. It's often better not to argue with them, but do your own thing following the excellent advice from this site, which is based upon advice that is proven to work from those of us suffering from diabetes. The LCHF diet being an excellent example and a very good starting point.
Please feel free to ask any questions that are puzzling yo and we'll try to help you along the way to mastering your diabetes.

All the best - Lazybones
 
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Bluetit1802

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Yes, do contact your surgery and ask for a print out of those blood test results. Unless you know which tests you had, and what the results were, you have no starting point. It is essential you find these out, and a print out will be so useful further down the line for comparisons with all the future tests you will be having. Being told your blood sugars are very high is insufficient. You need to know how high, and which tests.

You also need to know if you have been put on the diabetes care path. Do check with your surgery. This is national guidance all GPs should be following. It involves an initial review after about 3 months, usually with a nurse, further blood tests and a medication review. You should then be referred for annual retinal eye screening and have an annual foot check (often by the nurse). Further nurse reviews and blood tests should be arranged at 3 or 6 monthly intervals, reducing to 12 monthly once you are stable with the correct medication.

Do have a good read round these forums and main website. Learn as much as you can about this disease, such as how insulin works, what the liver and pancreas do, what levels you should be aiming for, what all the test results mean. All this information is on the main website here.

You will learn that diet is the key to controlling this disease, and any diet you chose must be suitable for diabetics as opposed to weight loss (Slimming World diets are for weight loss, not diabetics) and must be sustainable for life. You will also learn that the only way to find a diet that suits you is to buy a blood glucose meter and testing strips, test before eating and a couple of hours later, and this will show you what that meal has done to you, giving you chance to tweak it to give better results.

Good luck :)
 

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As others have already mentioned, you should be offered annual eye screening. However, the first appointment should be offered within 3 months of diagnosis. If this doesn't happen, you need to chase it up with your GP.
 
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mo53

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@El86 hello and welcome. Did you click on the red link on the bottom of @Brunneria 's post? It is a brilliant link to information on a low carb diet. If you decide to try this there is a thread on this forum , low carb-what have you eaten today? This gives ideas of what you can eat on a daily basis. I use myfitnesspal website really useful for tracking my carbs and calories.
 
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Daibell

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Hi and welcome. Yes, do get hold of a meter such as the SD Codefree on the web. I would avoid any branded diet as they tend to follow the low-fat/high'ish carb mantra which is not suitable for us (or anyone?). If you do use SW products, check that the carb content is low and don't worry about being low-fat. Yes, do check that you are on the GP's diabetes list. My GP initially forgot to add me.
 
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daisy1

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@El86

Hello and welcome to the forum :) To add to all the helpful advice above, here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will be able to help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

LOW CARB PROGRAM:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/low carb program


Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 

Badboydavey1

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Type of diabetes
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It would sound that you have unfortunately finally crossed the threshold level that has made you doctor confirm your diabetes (Fasting Test that you know about) and I suspect they also did a HbA1c test at the same time so that your Type 2 diabetes was finally confirmed.
You need to ask your doctor if this was the case and he/she says that they did, then welcome to our diabetes club. Your doctor should also, apart from prescribing the Metformin medication to help control your diabetes (it's frequently prescribed for people who are overweight) arrange for you to see the diabetic nurse and a NHS dietician and also enrol you for regular eye screening to carefully monitor your eyes.
Many of us here on this diabetic site, including myself, have frequently 'crossed swords' with the NHS dieticians and have found their standard party line advice to be completely wrong. It's often better not to argue with them, but do your own thing following the excellent advice from this site, which is based upon advice that is proven to work from those of us suffering from diabetes. The LCHF diet being an excellent example and a very good starting point.
Please feel free to ask any questions that are puzzling yo and we'll try to help you along the way to mastering your diabetes.

All the best - Lazybones
I was diagnosed type 2 diabetes 4 weeks ago and I change my diat and the doctor put me on metformin 500mg once a day now the doctor gave no advice what to do all she said was cut out all sugars,since being on metformin I had a reaction to it and lost weight loss of appetite severe diadration and it come to the point I was rushed into hospital for 4 days they changed my metformin to slow release and also put me on glitlazite morning and evening but my sugar levels are still spiking upto 30.1 and keytones 1.5 ........I was wondering what should I be asking the doctor (ALSO I SUFFER CHRONIC PANCREASTIS).
 

Brunneria

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I was diagnosed type 2 diabetes 4 weeks ago and I change my diat and the doctor put me on metformin 500mg once a day now the doctor gave no advice what to do all she said was cut out all sugars,since being on metformin I had a reaction to it and lost weight loss of appetite severe diadration and it come to the point I was rushed into hospital for 4 days they changed my metformin to slow release and also put me on glitlazite morning and evening but my sugar levels are still spiking upto 30.1 and keytones 1.5 ........I was wondering what should I be asking the doctor (ALSO I SUFFER CHRONIC PANCREASTIS).

Hi

If you have pacreatitis, I should have a look at this part of the forum.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/category/type-3c-pancreatic-diabetes.73/
and yes, I think you should go back to the doctor and demand more help. With blood glucose that high, you need help advice and support. Ask for a RAPID referral to the diabetes clinic, and don't take no for an answer. Pancreatitis and diabetes is a volatile combination and should NOT be shrugged off with a couple of tablets.
 
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Devonbear

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Hello and welcome to the club. There are literally dozens of us here who have sat exactly where you're sitting a few months, years or decades ago. Try not to fret, it doesn't have to be that big a deal!

Every Type 2 here who has tried a low carb high fat diet has seen a dramatic improvement in their blood sugar, and most (including me) have seen it drop to normal levels and stay there - often (like me) without metformin or any other medication.

GPs unfortunately tend to see diabetes as a sort of inevitable spiral, which starts with them lecturing people about their diet, then dishing out metformin, then dishing out insulin, then treating them for major complications (eye damage, limb loss, kidney disease) and then finally writing them a death certificate. I suppose we can't blame them. Between the training they received back in the "avoid fat at all costs" days, and the consistent failure of their patients to actively tackle their condition, it must be easy to be defeatist.

But just because your doctor is a defeatist doesn't mean you can't beat it! I know it must seem a bit dicey, listening to a bunch of anonymous internet people advising you to ignore NHS advice. Trust me, we've all been there. But please, please give it a go. The change can be extremely fast. Weeks rather than months. If you want to prove it to yourself, spend a week eating nothing but meat, eggs, cheese, yoghurt and salad and then get your blood re-tested. If there's no change, feel free to go back to piling wholemeal pasta on your plate as per NHS advice. But I am confident you'll see a significant improvement. If you then want to test it further. Spend a week eating pasta and wholemeal bread, and then get your blood tested again...
 
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