Morning Dump

[Kristin251]

2 Brazil nuts a day is all it takes to get your selenium. OR eat some fish higher in selenium than Mercury such as tuna or salmon. Done. Selenium solved

 

[ickihun]

@Kristin251 it proves the point that what we eat makes a huge difference to our diabetes management, even helping with the liver's mechanisms.
Diet is a huge part. Exercise too.
Diet more, I think. Due to human capability. Although conflicting medical conditions can hamper the ideal diet, I guess.
To date I haven't see any condition which shouldnt have selenium.
But give it time.
Selenium is excellent for brain function.

 

[Kristin251]

@Kristin251 it proves the point that what we eat makes a huge difference to our diabetes management, even helping with the liver's mechanisms.
Diet is a huge part. Exercise too.
Diet more, I think. Due to human capability. Although conflicting medical conditions can hamper the ideal diet, I guess.
To date I haven't see any condition which shouldnt have selenium.
But give it time.
Selenium is excellent for brain function.

Selenium is one thing you want to be careful not to over do. It has undesirable side effects which I don't remember exactly what they are but a quick Google will. Too much to rememeber.......haha

I definitely think diet does more than exercise for me. I have a hard time staying flat with the way I used to exercise. I still walk in nice weather but the intensity is much less.

 

[SunnyExpat]

Selenium is one thing you want to be careful not to over do. It has undesirable side effects which I don't remember exactly what they are but a quick Google will. Too much to rememeber.......haha

I definitely think diet does more than exercise for me. I have a hard time staying flat with the way I used to exercise. I still walk in nice weather but the intensity is much less.

It depends on what species you are

Human
https://www.drugs.com/sfx/selenium-side-effects.html

Alien life form
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_(2001_film)

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[ickihun]

Selenium is one thing you want to be careful not to over do. It has undesirable side effects which I don't remember exactly what they are but a quick Google will. Too much to rememeber.......haha

I definitely think diet does more than exercise for me. I have a hard time staying flat with the way I used to exercise. I still walk in nice weather but the intensity is much less.

I wonder if all or most overeaters may suffer with selenosis at one time or another?
Which backs some argues "that you can have too good a diet".
I'm becoming more and more interested in nutrition, looking to see if open university have a decent course.

 

[Kristin251]

I wonder if all or most overeaters may suffer with selenosis at one time or another?
Which backs some argues "that you can have too good a diet".
I'm becoming more and more interested in nutrition, looking to see if open university have a decent course.

Honestly I think you can have too good of a diet. The cleaner my diet got the more intolerant I became to more and more foods. The body was designed to cleanse and if you don't use it you lose it. I still eat extremely healthy but I throw a little of this or that in occasionally. Never grains but a bit of cheese here and there or some Parmesan peppercorn salad dressing when out. I don't eat a lot so I can afford great quality foods. I can tell when I don't eat normal as the scale goes up for a few days. I was obsessed with nutrition years ago for years. Too much so. Now I just eat fresh wholesome high quality foods and let the rest go. I found it nearly impossible to figure out how to balance all the nutrients and vitamins. Drove me mad. I eat a large variety of proteins but pretty much stay with the same veggies and fats. Lipids are good and I feel good so I must be doing something right. I think I figured out why I crave avocado so much other than the great effect it has in bs. It is very high in potassium and potassium is depleted with low carb. I also use sea salt and eat pumpkin seeds as snacks. These combined give me potassium magnesium and sodium. I stopped all supplements other than D as it was impossible to figure out what where when and how. I eat a Brazil nut occasionally but most of my selenium comes from salmon and tuna which I eat often.

Good luck figuring it all out. Haha

 

[Lancelot J]

My morning blood is also high. Usually the highest (except post-meal) reading of the day.
The "why" was driving me crazy because the more carbs I ate, the lower it went!
so I went to the Endocronologist.
Basically, my Liver suffers virus damage and when my BG gets too low the liver does its job and puts more glucose into my system. It's normal apart from the fact it doesn't know how much is enough.
I need to eat carbs to keep my BG "lowish".
It's been about 6 months since I found out and now I can eat "normally" although with smaller portions and only snacking if I feel I'm getting too low. I'm estimating I eat 120 gems of carbs per day and my BG is at a level I'm content with.







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[Lancelot J]

An afterthought; testing.
I would test two hours after eating. Obviously that gave me a higher reading.
Out of curiosity (and reading about diabetes in pregnancy) I started testing four hour after eating only to find my readings were "normal".
I can handle carbs.
My pre-bed level was lower than my "out-of-bed" levels.
Now I have a big piece of home-made fruit cake (no added sugar) before bed and I'm fine.



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[Worrierfrog]

I have wondered if I may experience a Somogyi effect..whenever I barely carb and think there I've fixed you!..I will wake up even higher than when I venture more into carb territory and think oh oh..only to be amazed at lower number.
I also notice that ppl could be 6 at 2 hours but at 2 and half hours it's 5. Consistent. ..slower to kick in? Or longer to process?
No meds. Exercise sometimes drops it and sometimes elevates. Stress tho elevates

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[Happy hippy]

Reading many of the posts of peoples levels; is it just me or is there a high proportion of people with what can only be described is VERY good GL ? I mean a lot of them are low ..... is it just the old sing the good news and hide the bad news ..... ie people who don't have decent levels don't advertise the fact ?

Hi. I'm type 2...,.,My readings are always very high and I feel tierd and unwell.
I'm in insulin now at 25 units am.
But still over 20.0 most if the time.
Been like this for over a year now and I'm very worried. Maddy.

 

[MarcoRiveira]

No not what you were thinking ..... I hear there is such a things as a liver dump whereby your liver dumps glucose into your system first thing in the morning to give you the boost for waking up.

How does this work for Diabetes 2. Should you be waking up with raised glucose levels e.g. 9 and treat it as normal or should it be treated as abnormal.

I mentioned to the doctor and was a bit perplexed when he seemed to think this was not a norm.

And why doesn't this have a morning level for type 2?

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes_care/blood-sugar-level-ranges.html

I tested my non-diabetic wife after waking, she has 4.8. My doctor did not like it when I had a morning fasting level of 9, then 7, in the beginning of my diabetic life 6 months ago, so it is abnormal.

I have dramatically improved my waking levels to consistently below 5.4 (4.8 to 5.3) after changing the timing of taking my 2nd 500mg Metformin for the day. I now take it about an hour before bed. I used to take it before or after dinner. I have no problems with taking metformin on an empty or half-empty stomach.

I also sometimes take carb snacks like 2 or hours before bed, like a toast with butter, or some biscuits, and it's still below 5.4 when I wake up. So I assume that the Metformin timing really works for me, it stops the liver from dumping too much glucose.

I don't have a high level before bed, it's like 4.6 to 5.4, my first 500mg Metformin and 30mg Diamicron MR (slow release gliclazide) taken an hour before lunch takes care of everything until the 2nd Metformin before bed.

Of course, it may be different for other folks.

Here is some info :

http://www.diabetesselfmanagement.com/blog/diabetes-metformin-and-your-liver/

Now looking for more info on how to nourish the liver more

 

[KeithSimpson001]

No not what you were thinking ..... I hear there is such a things as a liver dump whereby your liver dumps glucose into your system first thing in the morning to give you the boost for waking up.

How does this work for Diabetes 2. Should you be waking up with raised glucose levels e.g. 9 and treat it as normal or should it be treated as abnormal.

I mentioned to the doctor and was a bit perplexed when he seemed to think this was not a norm.

And why doesn't this have a morning level for type 2?

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes_care/blood-sugar-level-ranges.html

There are a lot of factors but one that rarely gets mentioned is that when you haven't eaten for 8 hours [first thing in the morning] alpha cells in the pancreas are producing more glucogen than they would at other times of the day because when you eat, hormones are released by the stomach that suppresses alpha cell glucogen production for up to 8 hours after eating. Glucogen causes the liver to release glucose & so the more glucogen, the more glucose that is released by the liver. On top of that, adrenalin [morning boost] also causes extra glucose to be dumped by the liver in the morning. Of course all this extra glucose is only significant if as a type 2 you are unable to produce enough extra basal insulin to control what the liver is releasing. In my experience most GP's have insufficient knowledge where diabetes is concerned & indeed even specialists focus on what is usually the problem in their experience, rather than scientifically attempting to diagnose the extent that insulin production has been impaired in type 2 patients. You will be told that Metformin & exercise will both help reduce insulin resistance & they both do BUT with high fasting levels because of insufficient insulin [not resistance], these can only help after having broken that fast & raised glucose levels to the point that bolus insulin is produced.

 

[busydiabeticmum]

[QUOTE="Time2Change, post: 1083075, member: Correct me if I am wrong .... its actually a decent amount of the night that you could be displaying high levels .... and if they are high when you wake then it appears to elevate the norm for the rest of the day .... so essentially you are already swimming up stream?

I have high readings many mornings, and routinely, this is the only test of the day for me - it makes me focus on the plans for the day's low carb diet! But I have some days when I do 7 tests, and it goes down after 2 hours, and never goes as high again in the rest of the day.[/QUOTE]
I know this is late but i may be able to help in this, as i get up to fast i test at different parts of the night! At midnight (3 hours after eating) my blood sugars are still going down and are fine! 2 am a little low about the 3s or 4s depending on what i ate. 3 am is the same, i have gotten to 4 am without a change... i havent thought to check at 5 am yet so that may be the next step. I believe it happens (for me) between 6 and 8 am (i get up at 8) but when i do get up my blood sugars are any where between 5s and 6s, when it is the time of the month i see a rise and each woman is different in that.

It is something i was wondering, why they dont adjust the morning before meal levels to reflect the "morning dump" or dawn phenomena". It really made me feel bad to see my bgl "high" when they should be considered normal!

I would say 8s are high so just look at what you're eating and adjust accordingly.