Type 2 Advice for a newbie please

Robkww

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Diagnosed a week ago as Type 2 and started on Merformin - 500mg a day to start. I'm scheduled to go up to 2/500mg a day today. Anyway, thought I'd make a start to testing myself today. First measure 2 hours after lunch came back at 5.7 mmol/L. I've been on a low calorie/low carb diet for the past week and am getting more active - intend to keep this up. Question in my mind is should I increase the dose, carry on with 500mg daily or dump the Metformin and go with the diet?
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chalup

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Hi and welcome to the forum. Metformin is a very well studied and safe drug. It helps you to be more sensitive to your own insulin, slows down glucose production and release from the liver, can help suppress appetite and can possibly offer some protection to heart and kidneys. If you are not suffering side effects then why stop it? It takes several weeks to build up to therapeutic levels in your body so you are not even at full effect yet. I would consider increasing as asked and testing regularly as well as sticking to your low carb diet. You may find you don't need low cal to lose weight. I will tag @daisy1 to send you some good info. Good luck.

This is just my opinion, not medical advice.
 
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metformin is not a bad medicine, a few can not take it due to sideeffects but most get adapted to it and get the benifit it actually can give one , though not curing type 2 diabetes...


all you do about your diet is excellent and training too... keep up the good work and just take the medicine ... untill you numbers are so low that the doctor will say he can just as well take the medicine away from you again... just kling on to low carb diet and excercise... a very fine strategy
 
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Neohdiver

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Hi Everyone
Diagnosed a week ago as Type 2 and started on Merformin - 500mg a day to start. I'm scheduled to go up to 2/500mg a day today. Anyway, thought I'd make a start to testing myself today. First measure 2 hours after lunch came back at 5.7 mmol/L. I've been on a low calorie/low carb diet for the past week and am getting more active - intend to keep this up. Question in my mind is should I increase the dose, carry on with 500mg daily or dump the Metformin and go with the diet?
Regards to all
Robkww
My doctor started me on 500 mg Metformin, expecting to bump me up when my BG didn't come down. That was a year ago. He hasn't mentioned it again.

I'm still up in the air about whether to talk to him about dropping it altogether. It may have some benefits (outside of blood glucose control) - but I've been too busy tracking down information on more critical health issues to do the research.

It is pretty innocuous. I don't really think it helps my BG at all (based on timing of BG decline). I'm not inclined to increase mine (although my doctor didn't tell me to increase it on my own - I think he figured, correctly, that I would resist).

You'll have to make your own decision - but that's kind of the thinking I went through.
 
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@Robkww

Hello Rob and welcome to the forum :) Here is the information we give to new members, as mentioned above, which I hope you will find helpful. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will be able to answer.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 210,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
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Robkww

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Thanks for all the really useful information and for relating experience. I'm leaning towards learning to walk before I run. Metformin seems beneficial in several ways and I'll take the Doctor's advice regarding dosage and keep a record of my measurements to discuss when we meet up again in 3 weeks. I will also carry on with the dietary and activity changes as I really think they are helping a lot.
Thanks again.
Kind regards
Robkww
 
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paganlass

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Wen I was diagnosed almost 4 months ago I refused metformin. Doc said ok we see wat ur next blood test brings. I go on thurs. But I won't take metformin. I have seen the trouble my mother and auntie has with it. I have changed everything so I don't have to. I have gone lchf diet I test regularly and got my bloods down to 5,s and 6,s and lost almost two stone and returned my fatty liver back to normal. It definitely works for me. Hate tablets.
 
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Robkww

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I'm down at 4.5 fasting and 5.7 at 2 hours after meal - not sure how much of this is down to changed lifestyle, around
1000 cals/30 g carbohydrate per day, or the 1/500 mg Metformin per day I've been taking for a week - any advice? I'll certainly be discussing the lifestyle changes I've made with the Doc and challenging the need for the tablets when I see him in 3 weeks time.
 

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I'm down at 4.5 fasting and 5.7 at 2 hours after meal - not sure how much of this is down to changed lifestyle, around
1000 cals/30 g carbohydrate per day, or the 1/500 mg Metformin per day I've been taking for a week - any advice? I'll certainly be discussing the lifestyle changes I've made with the Doc and challenging the need for the tablets when I see him in 3 weeks time.
Almost certainly it's the diet change.
 
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I'm down at 4.5 fasting and 5.7 at 2 hours after meal - not sure how much of this is down to changed lifestyle, around
1000 cals/30 g carbohydrate per day, or the 1/500 mg Metformin per day I've been taking for a week - any advice? I'll certainly be discussing the lifestyle changes I've made with the Doc and challenging the need for the tablets when I see him in 3 weeks time.

Brilliant readings, well done. :)

Metformin only helps to a very limited extent, and takes a while to accumulate in your system, so it is undoubtedly your changed life style. Metformin will help more if you have a lot of weight to lose.
 
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Freema

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I'm down at 4.5 fasting and 5.7 at 2 hours after meal - not sure how much of this is down to changed lifestyle, around
1000 cals/30 g carbohydrate per day, or the 1/500 mg Metformin per day I've been taking for a week - any advice? I'll certainly be discussing the lifestyle changes I've made with the Doc and challenging the need for the tablets when I see him in 3 weeks time.

fantastic ... but you like me can not be on 1000 calories like forever... but at that time we can hope our diabetes has reversed...