Support thread for those of us who dont lose weight

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People only see what they want to see!
We know different.
I cannot change everyone's opinion on type 2 diabetes but I can change my own.
I'm glad I met posters on this website but on occasion the odd one surprises me by still being blind to the spoon theory. Maybe it should be the entrance exam before we're allowed to be members? Oh, in the ideal world! (Well I can dream).
 
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Yes, I get told I don't look ill, or disabled. Well of course I don't because I only venture out and see people on days I feel ok.

and do you get 'helpful' people, when you do venture out, telling you that if you lost weight you would have more energy? I was 9 stones when I got ME. People were never short of 'helpful' advice about doing more exercise to give myself energy!!! At least my new doctor understands a bit about my condition and has stopped with the weight advice, unlike my new Diabetic nurse.

But my better control of my blood sugars is helping my mood and i seem to get more done, even if its just a bit of knitting on bad days. It used to be that even the knitting needles felt too heavy on a bad day.
 
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and do you get 'helpful' people, when you do venture out, telling you that if you lost weight you would have more energy? I was 9 stones when I got ME. People were never short of 'helpful' advice about doing more exercise to give myself energy!!! At least my new doctor understands a bit about my condition and has stopped with the weight advice, unlike my new Diabetic nurse.

But my better control of my blood sugars is helping my mood and i seem to get more done, even if its just a bit of knitting on bad days. It used to be that even the knitting needles felt too heavy on a bad day.

I find more people, even those I don't know that well, comment more when I have lost weight.. I did lose a lot of weight a few years ago. People wanted to make it the sole topic of conversation. They asked how much, how I did it, if I was going to carry on, etc. How rude! Especially the guy who despite me telling him it was personal, and I only discuss health matters with my nearest and dearest, persisted in the interrogation. In the end I told him to mind his own f'ing business. Didn't like doing that, but what can you do when some people do not respond to the more gentle approach.

I did have a woman at the swimming pool a few months ago start to advise me on how many calories I should be eating a day. When I told her I eat less than the 1800 she was recommending, and had lost a lot of weight already, she looked at me and said "Well, your face is fine, but you need to lose some more here", as she pointed to my swollen leg.
I had a quiet word with her the following day. She won't be giving nutritional advice to anyone else.
 
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Fully agree with you, @serenity648. I reached the conclusion that well controlled blood glucose is the primary concern for me. After losing a lot of weight, but still being very overweight, I find that a low carb diet with moderate fat maintains a healthy level. A problem is that I do not lose weight, and there is more to be lost, and slight deviation into carb consumption causes me to gain more.
 

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Yesterday I was really uplifted by the 'spoons' discussion. I felt proud of how I have managed my limited number of spoons for the last 22 years. I have not posted alot on the rest of the forum recently because I feel so down about my weight. :(
 

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I can only comment about my past experience but I was at my diabetic happiest when I had stable bgs on metformin only. Running on my running machine most days and working shift work in London. Single, so control was far less stressful. Well easy, in fact. Vegtables every meal but just 3 average meals a day. Alcohol on occasion.
I was happy and had stable bgs and only tested twice a day. Hba1c was acceptable but I cannot remember exact number. I lost a bit weight on meeting my now better half. I think happiness in stable bgs are my keys to unlocking weight loss.
Mind u my body has changed since 2 kids and 4 house moves but I was type 2 then too.
Can you recall the last time YOU lost weight other than lchf promise of a loss?
I'm seeing someone on the 19th about my obsessions. I'm hoping I can let them go!
 
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All interesting. And sad. Because yes we are all different. Yes I have much on my plate re problems. Someone replied we all have problems. Yes true . However I'd wager mine are up there. Not that it's a contest...but it's a bit belittling do you not think? I'm not talking about traffic jams. I'm talking about loss..husband , mother, grandmother (on same day!) Aunt, uncle, all in same year whohoo.
One son has accident and paralyzed arm.
Ruined college career.
Dog...gsd just diagnosed with lymphoma. He was my only salvation.
I've said no meds. I am 5.7 and 165..yes fat fat...but no one thinks so...oh just walk a bit ease off desserts...really???
Oh and throw in exercise..beachbody...I mean I do try.
Today I had..at 515am. Fbs 7.1....at boiled egg 1 slice bacon.
Lunch 2 slices deli turkey and swiss cheese.
At 4pm I was 5.6
Haven't had dinner yet. It will be a crock pot chicken breastfeeding and veggies. Glass of red wine. Walk later.bed 5.7. Approx
Lather rinse repeat.
Suggestions welcome.
 

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OK I give up. TX to anyone who has offered support or help.
Goodbye.
 

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Hi @Worrierfrog
Not sure what it is you are giving up on, but hello and goodbye ( or just hello if you are sticking around).
I like your avatar pic.
 

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OK I give up. TX to anyone who has offered support or help.
Goodbye.



I'm sure we're all sending supportive thoughts your way. Hope things get better for you.

If you're looking for lots of replies this probably isn't the best thread to post in. It hasn't been running very long so there aren't that many people passing through as yet. There are quite a few "old" general comment threads though, where you may get a more immediate response.
Hope you stay around here with us, but if not, I hope you find that you're looking for.
 
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@Worrierfrog if I had the magic potion for weight loss I'd give it to you.
I'm reading up on bariatric surgery, because I have to. Its all hormonal.
Hormones are so complicated our specialists and researchers are confused. Me included.
One day there will be clarity but in the mean time just accept your diabetes and work alongside its needs.
 

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I feel like crying. Out of joy for having some compadres. I've been feeling so isolated and blamming myself for doing something wrong.
Like you say, loads lose on lchf, just not me. I started gaining!

My opinion is that the HF isn't that important to us all unless you want to replace the calories lost by cutting carbs. If you consider I used to eat about 1800 calories a day on a low fat diet, 500 calories a day less than my Basic Metabolic Rate (BMR) so not even allowing for exercise. By removing bread/past/rice/potato I took another 600 calories off my daily intake and lost quite a bit before it just stopped. My GP said I wasn't eating enough and suggested I ate more, perhaps more dairy and red meat (don't get told that very often), so I did and now I'm 15kgs heavier. Although I have noticed that the fluid retention caused by using soluble cocodomol has increased and together with the lymphodema, my legs look like elephants legs, so there's something else going on.

If you look at the Kreb cycle which I'm not going to pretend I understand, a lot goes on between eating and providing energy for the muscles or storing excess energy as fat. I have had several blood and urine tests, self financed, which have indicated shortages of CoQ10, Vitamin D, Vitamin B and several other bits and pieces (can't remember what, can't find report now either), so I'm trying to get those right before really panicking.

The unfortunate thing is that GPs aren't able to help in finding out why our metabolisms are knackered and that's the expression my GP actually used, "knackered", no reason why, just knackered, so I'm on my own.

Interestingly, I'm embarking on a series of Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy (HBOT) as it's supposed to improve (decrease) insulin resistance and muscle development. I'm now reading that HBOT affects (decreases) weight in mice so who knows, it would be a good side effect to decreased insulin resistance. It's very much an experiment, although Wycombe Wanderers football team use HBOT to increase their level of training.
 
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OK I give up. TX to anyone who has offered support or help.
Goodbye.
Hey I didn't mean that there was no answer for you, just that I don't have it right now. I wanted to welcome you to the thread, that's all. This thread is mostly about support while we endeavour to find the right answers for ourselves. I just wanted to say welcome and you are not alone. Stress has obviously been a major factor in your life, have you had your adrenal glands checked? That's something I am working on for myself but I am not far enough along the road to say it has worked for me, and I don't want to give you false hope. As someone else has said it's likely to be hormonal and hormones are complicated, so it's also likely that there is no single answer for any of us on this thread but a combination of answers.
 
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All interesting. And sad. Because yes we are all different. Yes I have much on my plate re problems. Someone replied we all have problems. Yes true . However I'd wager mine are up there. Not that it's a contest...but it's a bit belittling do you not think? I'm not talking about traffic jams. I'm talking about loss..husband , mother, grandmother (on same day!) Aunt, uncle, all in same year whohoo.
One son has accident and paralyzed arm.
Ruined college career.
Dog...gsd just diagnosed with lymphoma. He was my only salvation.
I've said no meds. I am 5.7 and 165..yes fat fat...but no one thinks so...oh just walk a bit ease off desserts...really???
Oh and throw in exercise..beachbody...I mean I do try.
Today I had..at 515am. Fbs 7.1....at boiled egg 1 slice bacon.
Lunch 2 slices deli turkey and swiss cheese.
At 4pm I was 5.6
Haven't had dinner yet. It will be a crock pot chicken breastfeeding and veggies. Glass of red wine. Walk later.bed 5.7. Approx
Lather rinse repeat.
Suggestions welcome.

Sorry to hear you been having a $h1t time, I can't even imagine the strength required to cope with losing many family members. My mother, nephew and uncle passed away last year and that was bad enough.

The only suggestion I have and it might not be the best idea for everyone but I've benefited from consulting a Nutritional Therapist. Although we haven't found the answer for my particular problem yet, I know a lot more about my body's workings (or not working) than I did previously and I have lost some weight by cutting carbs, it just stopped.

I've been on the serious dieting trail for 10 years so the discipline came in handy when I really had to make some sacrifices, but I need to do more. We'll get there eventually, we just need to find the answer because it certainly isn't less calories and more exercise alone.

All the best, keep a stout heart, as my dear old mum used to say.
 
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serenity648

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OK I give up. TX to anyone who has offered support or help.
Goodbye.
Has something else happened? are you OK? I am sorry I dont have any answers for you, but maybe if we all pool our diet experiences we can come up with ideas to try x
 
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serenity648

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I have started reading Escape the Diet Trap by Dr John Briffa. Has anyone else read this book?
 
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serenity648

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OK, I am now getting the idea that I need a two pronged attack:

low carb: for my blood sugar levels and
high fat: for my insulin resistance, but only enough to replace my carb calories.



along with intermittent fasting to give my insulin production a chance to stop pumping out insulin, making my insulin resistance and/or inflammation worse. Does that sound right?

for the time being i am forgetting weight loss entirely, as the insulin resistance seems a priority now my blood sugar levels seem OK.

so eating to my meter and getting my blood sugar levels, while vitally important, appears to be only half the story. Thank you @Brunneria for the Jason Fung links, I think I am getting the hang of navigating his blog. I hadnt seen the search box until this morning.
 
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My 2 pennies; I am on LCHF and keep perfect sugar levels, loosing weight comes slowly, 1kg a month on average. I check my weight on a daily basis and noticed when I have a good day (lost 500gr or more) tends to be because my meals have included lots of greens (cabbage, spinach, salad) for the past few days I am keeping a diary in myfitnesspal aiming for 10% carbs, 65% fat, 25% protein
 

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Wow what a great thread. By bringing people together with the same issues, it shows that we all can't be hopeless! Regardless of the baggage we have, I have come to the conclusion that weight loss has nothing to do with willpower. When I hear the advice " just put the fork down" I want to use the fork as a weapon! I consider myself a resourceful person who has succeeded in many areas of life, apart from accepting myself and my weight. Now approaching my 60's I can't believe I am still on this merry go round. I have been overweight most of my life, give or take a few years of starvation and diet pills. I seem to lose and find the same 20 kilo over and over again. By reading these forums I have learnt about the "Obesity Code" and have now purchased the book. However I am not sure if I will find the answer I know I need - self acceptance.