Success stories about insulin resistance

[fatentomms]

Has anybody had this and are still not diabetic, or has any of your friends did? I am 19 and i have insulin resistance blood sugar 84, and i want to stay non diabetic as long as possible, i still have 20 kgs to lose and mi bmi is 29. My doctor gives me metformin to help me lose weight. Has anybody here had a very long term insulin resistance(or reversed it) and stayed fit, healthy, and with a good diet they stayed non diabetic? I really want any glimmer of hope that i wont be diabetic until my 55-60s.

 

[sally and james]

@fatentomms Could I suggest that you read this section of the Diet Doctor site, https://www.dietdoctor.com/high-insulin-precedes-type-2-diabetes
It suggests that a LCHF diet and intermittent fasting will help with your aims.
Sally

 

[fatentomms]

High fat diet is proved to increase insulin resistance in non diabetic people from what i know

 

[sally and james]

High fat diet is proved to increase insulin resistance in non diabetic people from what i know

Perhaps you could provide a reputable source for this information.
Sally

 

[numbersdown]

Please give me some hope
So little is written about insulin resistance, we understand it but who is researching it. I don't have any weight to loose, I don't overeat, I don't smoke or drink and still I am T2 diabetic what can I give up to improve my diabetes, I am on a low carb diet and research supplements all the time. Other people can loose loads of weight and change to a healthy life style and reverse it. So how did I get this when I wasn't doing anything to get it ?? the only thing I can think of was I was under long term stress, has any one had hypnotherapy to help their diabetes. I seem to be at war with food its a miserable battle and the thought of having to fast to improve the insulin resistance is just more misery.
Can anyone point me in the right direction for info on this.

Thanks
Gaynor

 

[sally and james]

@numbersdown Tell us what sort of blood sugar numbers you have (recent HbA1c) and what you actually eat on a typical day. Some people think they are eating low carb, but are making lots of mistakes - this could be you. Another alternative is that you could be T1, so no amount of dieting will reverse anything (though it will help).
Stress is certainly said to help induce T2, but I have never heard of hypnotherapy reversing it.
Tell us more about your diabetes, diet and numbers and hopefully we can help.
Sally

 

[kittypoker]

High fat diet is proved to increase insulin resistance in non diabetic people from what i know

I have never heard this, so some evidence would be helpful.

I'm not diabetic, don't know if I'm insulin resistant but probably have metabolic syndrome on the grounds that I ate the same as my friends and brothers and I'm the only one who turned out morbidly obese.

The first step to avoiding a diagnosis is get off the excess weight. It's not guaranteed, nothing is, but it will reduce the risk factors. Losing weight can be achieved in a number of ways - low fat, low calories or low carb to put them most simply.

Low fat and low cal are difficult to sustain as they result in hunger. Low carb, high fat does not once you are fat adapted. I've lost 60lb with LCHF and wouldn't change it for the world. It's a hunger-free, healthy, sustainable lifestyle.

Best of luck, sweetie.

 

[kittypoker]

Please give me some hope
Other people can loose loads of weight and change to a healthy life style and reverse it. So how did I get this when I wasn't doing anything to get it ??
Gaynor

Hon, this is NOT your fault. If I remember correctly, 20% of T2's aren't overweight. You didn't do anything wrong, it was just bad luck. There may be genetic factors if you look into your family history.

Now you know, you can do something about it. Has anyone tagged the lovely @daisy1 to give info to these lovely new members?

You can do it, hon. You're strong.

 

[fatentomms]

Perhaps you could provide a reputable source for this information.
Sally

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19780047

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3312873/

 

[daisy1]

@fatentomms

Hello and welcome to the forum To help you all to know what you can do to keep off the dreaded diabetes, here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 147,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

• Reduce your carbohydrate intake
• Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes

• Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
• 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l

Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)

• Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
• 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l

Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)

• Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
• 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l

However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

• structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
• self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.

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[Sid Bonkers]

Hi fatentomms, if you can lose weight you should be able to keep diabetes at bay. It is visceral fat around your body organs which causes insulin resistance and if you can lose enough weight to lose this visceral fat then you should be able to achieve non diabetic bg levels for as long as you can keep the visceral fat at bay.

You are correct there have been studies that report that diets high in fat can be a cause visceral fat but I believe that its cause is simply eating too much of everything. But you do NOT need to eat a high fat diet to reduce your weight and blood glucose levels.

I was diagnosed with T2 diabetes with an HbA1c of 12.6% and my blood glucose was tested at 29 mmol/L, I managed to lose 5 stone (70lb) plus and have maintained non diabetic blood glucose levels now for 8 years although I still consider myself to be diabetic.

I ate a low carb diet and also ate a lot less food in general to lose weight but at no time did I increase the fat content in my diet, but by reducing the carbs in my diet I did of course naturally increase the percentage of fat in my diet just by reducing the percentage of carbs.

IMHO a "Low Carb High Fat" (LCHF) diet does not have to involve eating any more fat than you normally eat, you just have to eat fewer carbs.

It took me a year to lose most of the weight I have lost and it was hard work but fear of the consequences of not losing it was my motivation and if you can lose enough weight to reduce your visceral fat you too should be able to maintain non diabetic blood glucose levels for as long as you can maintain your weight loss.

It can be done and I wish you good luck and every success.

 

[dm2-one]

High fat diet is proved to increase insulin resistance in non diabetic people from what i know

Yes, I agree, high fat content promotes, or at least does not help with insulin sensitivity. And have tested in myself.
Exercise increases insulin sensitivity. Look for a structured three-six month weight lifting program, 3 days a week. On the other three days, do a structured HIIT program as well. Mike trennell from Newcastle is a good source of info.
I am increasing my insulin sensitivity to a great degree with this.
You will overcome your problem. Keep in touch.

 

[bulkbiker]

Yes, I agree, high fat content promotes, or at least does not help with insulin sensitivity. And have tested in myself.
Exercise increases insulin sensitivity. Look for a structured three-six month weight lifting program, 3 days a week. On the other three days, do a structured HIIT program as well. Mike trennell from Newcastle is a good source of info.
I am increasing my insulin sensitivity to a great degree with this.
You will overcome your problem. Keep in touch.

What kinds of fat were you eating and how were you measuring your insulin sensitivity?

 

[bulkbiker]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19780047

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3312873/

Were they the studies in mice or where they fed people on a highish carb diet supplemented with additional Palm Oil as the high fat ingredient.. does anybody really eat like that?

 

[Tophat1900]

Were they the studies in mice or where they fed people on a highish carb diet supplemented with additional Palm Oil as the high fat ingredient.. does anybody really eat like that?

I was kinda flicking through it, tired and about to go to bed, but it does seem like it... but I flicked through it, so didn't see what they ate apart from FFA's. As for who eats like that, no one in the real world I know. And I'll admit I don't know of any rats that eat like that either. There is a difference between study design worlds and the real world. I think we should look at the results of lchf diet on people, it isn't right for absolutely everyone, but it does leave room for adjustments. And there are an enormous amount of success stories on here, that's pretty good evidence. I wouldn't be placing much faith on a rodent study like that as to whether or not to try lchf, but that's just me.

 

[bulkbiker]

I was kinda flicking through it, tired and about to go to bed, but it does seem like it... but I flicked through it, so didn't see what they ate apart from FFA's. As for who eats like that, no one in the real world I know. And I'll admit I don't know of any rats that eat like that either. There is a difference between study design worlds and the real world. I think we should look at the results of lchf diet on people, it isn't right for absolutely everyone, but it does leave room for adjustments. And there are an enormous amount of success stories on here, that's pretty good evidence. I wouldn't be placing much faith on a rodent study like that as to whether or not to try lchf, but that's just me.

Agree 100% sometimes it looks like these studies are deliberately designed to denigrate LCHF...
Nothing to do with people getting better without meds thus taking profits away from both Pharma companies and the "science" based studies that they pay for...

 

[Brunneria]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19780047

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3312873/

Agreed. In those studies, which were probably done on mice fed a dreadful processed Frankenfood combination.

But what you have to understand (and most people who bang on about this issue simply DON'T understand it) is that while fat may raise insulin resistance a little, it is nothing compared to how much carbs raise insulin resistance.

Seriously.

I've been checking these things out now using my body, my meter, my Freestyle Libre, and different ways of eating for about 4 years now. Dropping carbs, fasting, and exercise, have a much greater impact, in decending order. Increasing fat is insignificant in comparison.

But it is up to you to find out what works best for your body. So try it for yourself. And don't take published studies as gospel. Especially when they don't provide easily accessed detail, proper stats, or are directly comparable to a healthy human diet rich in natural fats.

 

[Sid Bonkers]

Were they the studies in mice or where they fed people on a highish carb diet supplemented with additional Palm Oil as the high fat ingredient.. does anybody really eat like that?

there are many reports and studies that should how eating a high fat diet can affect your weight and cholesterol, I had hundreds of links but after making a decision not to get involved in pointless arguments again I deleted them several months ago when I started posting here again.

I know I shall never convince you so its pointless trying to but the evidence is there if you chose to look for it with an open mind but if all you look at are pro lchf diet sites you will never find the truth.

 

[bulkbiker]

there are many reports and studies that should how eating a high fat diet can affect your weight and cholesterol, I had hundreds of links but after making a decision not to get involved in pointless arguments again I deleted them several months ago when I started posting here again.

I know I shall never convince you so its pointless trying to but the evidence is there if you chose to look for it with an open mind but if all you look at are pro lchf diet sites you will never find the truth.

Well I'm glad to say my body that eats Low Carb High Fat managed to loose 7 stone following the diet that was concentrated on higher fat. So you are right you will never convince me ... not because I read only pro LCHF but because for me it has worked amazingly well. When looking closely at the anti fat brigade studies there is usually some weird and wonderful way that the results have been skewed to show fat is bad.
As for cholesterol.. the biggest con of the late 20th century? One day we will know and maybe some of the drugs companies will suffer as much as the tobacco companies for their misleading work. We can but hope.

 

[Sid Bonkers]

Like i said ill never convince you so,,,,,,,bye