DESMOND course - worth going to?

ChrisTeapot

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Hi all,

I was diagnosed T2 two months ago today (Great Christmas present lol) and have been doing a lot of reading up. My fasting blood was 17 at diagnosis but now with 2 x 500 mg metformin it's averaging 5.something on the home machine in the mornings so feel like I've learnt a lot and on the road to getting it under control with a LCHF diet.

I've been sent an invitation to a DESMOND course in Beds. Are they worth going to?

Also does anyone have any figures on what effect the metformin has versus the diet? Would be nice to know. I have about 3 stone to lose but feeling optimistic.

Thanks everyone!

Chris
 
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eldergarth

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hi chris and welcome to the forum i will tag @daisy1 who will be along with a useful info pack we give all new members
most of us on here follow the low carb high fat diet as it is carbs that turn into sugars in your body increasing your BG levels and it also helps to reduce weight i have lost 50kilos since i started the lchf diet .
ask any questions you may have no matter how silly you think it is and we will be happy to help you
 

eldergarth

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you may find the desmond course of some use but you will learn a lot from this site reading the various threads personally i leaned more here than i did on my desmond course
 
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Energize

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Hi @ChrisTeapot and welcome to the forum

You asked about "what effect the metformin has versus the diet?" Well, Metformin is a medication to help your body use insulin (as a vague explanation) whereas 'diet' suggests restricting certain foods, in my opinion, although there is a lot more involved than my very simple explanation.

So, rather than see it as Metformin vs diet, regard this as a combination.

Any carbohydrate will turn into glucose in your body, therefore raise blood glucose so many here significantly reduce carbs in the diet with excellent results. So, bread, potatoes, pasta, rice, pastry, wheat etc, which are all carbs, are generally reduced or even cut out. Such a diet will generally also help with weight loss which is useful for many type 2's
J
 

Maggie/Magpie

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Hi,

I've been diagnosed now for 4.5months and on metformin as well. GP's often use metformin for us larger diabetics as there is evidence to suggest that in some diabetics it increases weight loss. The lchf diet will also help with weight loss, as it has me. I don't know about your experience on it but I find that it makes me feel that I have taken back control over my diabetes and I'm doing something positive about it myself. Metformin also helps to stabilise blood sugars and in theory it stops hypos, but many on here have first hand experience who still have hypo's on it. But thats why they don't issue glucose meters for those of us on metformin, that and probably cost.

As for the Desmond course, I don't know as there is a 8 month waiting list to go on one here and mine dosn't come up until May. But I've always been of the opinion that even if you only learn one new thing then it's worth going to these things. But at the end of the day it's up to you.

Most things I have learnt I've learnt from here so far.
Good luck with it all
Maggie
 
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ChrisTeapot

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50Kg? All I can say is wow I'm impressed!

Thank you! Here's a silly question - did you ever have any self pity moments early on? I feel like I've got the practical side of things fairly under control for now while I work stuff out and my good lady is cooking all the right things and making it tasty for me but sometimes I want a pizza not because I'm hungry but simply because I can't! (Or shouldn't). Does that make sense? What did you do? Thanks!

hi chris and welcome to the forum i will tag @daisy1 who will be along with a useful info pack we give all new members
most of us on here follow the low carb high fat diet as it is carbs that turn into sugars in your body increasing your BG levels and it also helps to reduce weight i have lost 50kilos since i started the lchf diet .
ask any questions you may have no matter how silly you think it is and we will be happy to help you
 
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ChrisTeapot

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Thanks Maggie,

You're right, the metformin does make it feel like I'm doing something! Strangely I was given a meter on my second appointment. It's really helped with seeing the effect of exercise and food.

And haha yep 3 to 4 stone I reckon



Hi,

I've been diagnosed now for 4.5months and on metformin as well. GP's often use metformin for us larger diabetics as there is evidence to suggest that in some diabetics it increases weight loss. The lchf diet will also help with weight loss, as it has me. I don't know about your experience on it but I find that it makes me feel that I have taken back control over my diabetes and I'm doing something positive about it myself. Metformin also helps to stabilise blood sugars and in theory it stops hypos, but many on here have first hand experience who still have hypo's on it. But thats why they don't issue glucose meters for those of us on metformin, that and probably cost.

As for the Desmond course, I don't know as there is a 8 month waiting list to go on one here and mine dosn't come up until May. But I've always been of the opinion that even if you only learn one new thing then it's worth going to these things. But at the end of the day it's up to you.

Most things I have learnt I've learnt from here so far.
Good luck with it all
Maggie
 

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@ChrisTeapot

Hello Chris and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 147,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why :)
  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 

eldergarth

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50Kg? All I can say is wow I'm impressed!

Thank you! Here's a silly question - did you ever have any self pity moments early on? I feel like I've got the practical side of things fairly under control for now while I work stuff out and my good lady is cooking all the right things and making it tasty for me but sometimes I want a pizza not because I'm hungry but simply because I can't! (Or shouldn't). Does that make sense? What did you do? Thanks!
We all get that Chris you just have to tell your self no you can't have that but maybe one day when I have been really good and my levels have been good for weeks you can have a small slice just as a treat
But eventually you don't miss these type of foods and you realise just what you were eating and what it is has done to you .
You will get there Chris and enjoy the journey your now on and keep asking the silly questions
 

Ultramum

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... sometimes I want a pizza not because I'm hungry but simply because I can't! (Or shouldn't). Does that make sense? What did you do? Thanks!

I'm new to the LCHF way of eating but found a recipe for low carb pizza called Fathead Pizza on the dietdoctor site - delicious :)
 

Peckj02

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Hi Chris,

I found the DESMOND course really useful. It gave me a better understanding of my diabetes and also of carbs. I have high cholesterol too and we also touched on that during the session.

It was also good to meet others who are experiencing the same things. One of the gentleman who came to mine brought his wife and I know she got a lot from the course in understanding how best to help him.

Hope this helps x
Jill
 

JRTwalker

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Hi Chris. I attended my DESMOND course in early December also in Bedfordshire. I learnt some things but came away with the feeling everyone thought I was over-doing my diet following LCHF regime which was also at odds with the same old, same old recommendations that NHS provide.
They certainly mentioned being careful with certain carbs and provide some insights as to how much sugar some basic food items including fruit and vegetables. I was clearly the odd student out from the rest.
Recommendations is still around a calorie-controlled low fat balanced diet inclusive of 5 a day - which is what lead me to T2DB in first place and is a strategy that clearly doesn't work for many people.
I would attend with open mind. I learnt some things but also felt that NHS approach is somehow wrong and aimed at those already diagnosed rather than those at risk.