High BG Levels

Tine49

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Hi

I've been hovering around this forum since I was diagnosed T2 in January, I've been concerned about my BG levels and have been waiting for somebody with the same levels as mine to ask about them. Finally I've decided to give it a go posting myself - My BG levels average 17 - 20 fasting in the morning and 27 to 'Hi' just before bed, I don't eat for at least 2 hours before testing.

My Gp doesn't seem too worried about these levels but reading posts on here they are a lot higher than average.

Should I be worried? :?
 

Tine49

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Hi

I think I eat quite healthy - vegetarian, no processed foods and no cakes etc. My downfalls are: Bananas and oranges (I know they are high in sugar so I try to resist)

I'm on Januvia and am just due to start pioglitazone

Tine
 

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I think PP has understated things a bit.........has your GP taken out a Life Insurance Policy on you....?
If his opinion is that those very high levels are nothing to worry about you need to get yourself a new GP !! At the very least you need to get a referral to an Endocrinologist, a Specialist. You need help not a chat with somebody who is a disgrace to the calling of a GP. It would appear that the GP has no idea of even the basics of Diabetes. :shock:

To assist you here is the advice we usually give out to newly diagnosed Diabetic's. I have a feeling that there may well be things there that might help you get better control and understanding of why your levels may be so high. Have a read.

We have Vegetarian members who are also well controlled, hopefully they might also give you some help.

Here is the advice we usually give to newly diagnosed diabetics. We hope that these few ideas gained through experience help you to gain control and give you some understanding of Diabetes. This forum doesn't always follow the recommended dietary advice, you have to work out what works for you as we are all different.

It's not just 'sugars' you need to avoid, diabetes is an inability to process glucose properly. Carbohydrate converts, in the body, to glucose. So it makes sense to reduce the amount of carbohydrate that you eat which includes sugars.

The main carbs to avoid OR reduce are the complex or starchy carbohydrates such as bread, potatoes, pasta, rice, starchy root veg and also any flour based products. The starchy carbs all convert 100% to glucose in the body and raise the blood sugar levels significantly.

If you are on Insulin you may find that reducing the carb intake also means that you can reduce your dose of insulin. This can help you to keep weight gain down as Insulin tends to make you put on weight and eventually cause insulin resistance. This should be done slowly so as not to cause hypos.

The way to find out how different foods affect you is to do regular daily testing and keep a food diary for a couple of weeks. If you test just before eating, then two hours after eating, you will see the effect of certain foods on your blood glucose levels. Some foods, which are slow acting carbohydrates, are absorbed more slowly so you may need to test three or even four hours later to see the effect that these have on your blood glucose levels.

Buy yourself a carb counter book (you can get these on-line) and you will be able to work out how much carbs you are eating, when you test, the reading two hours after should be roughly the same as the before eating reading, if it is then that meal was fine, if it isn’t then you need to check what you have eaten and think about reducing the portion size of carbs.

When you are buying products check the total carbohydrate content, this includes the sugar content. Do not just go by the amount of sugar on the packaging as this is misleading to a diabetic.

As for a tester, try asking the nurse/doctor and explain that you want to be proactive in managing your own diabetes and therefore need to test so that you can see just how foods affect your blood sugar levels. Hopefully this will work! Sometimes they are not keen to give Type 2’s the strips on prescription, (in the UK) but you can but try!!
If you are an Insulin user in theory you should have no problem getting test strips.

The latest 2010 NICE guidelines for Bg levels are as follows:
Fasting (waking).......between 4 - 7 mmol/l.(Type 1 & 2)
2 hrs after meals......no more than 8.5 mmol/l. ( Type 2)

2hrs after meals....... no more than 9 mmol/l (Type 1)

If you are able to keep the post meal numbers lower, so much the better.

It also helps if you can do 30 minutes moderate exercise a day. It doesn't have to be strenuous.

The above is just general advice and it is recommended that you discuss with your HCP before making any changes. You can also ask questions on the forum on anything that is not clear.

Ken / Sue
 

Tine49

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Thank you for that - I'll have a read and do a bit of research.

I am feeling quite unwell at the moment and very tired so I'll leave the Doc's for a few days but in the meantime I think looking at my diet may help. I do eat bread and Pasta (wholemeal) so I think I'll cut these down, I didn't realise these could be a problem so thanks for the info.

It does feel good to finally be in contact with people that seem happy to help.

Tine x
 

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Tine49 said:
My BG levels average 17 - 20 fasting in the morning and 27 to 'Hi' just before bed, I don't eat for at least 2 hours before testing.

My Gp doesn't seem too worried about these levels but reading posts on here they are a lot higher than average.

Should I be worried? :?

Those levels are extremely high and need to be brought down asap! I have to agree with Ken (Cugila) that you should be looking to change your gp, I find it hard to believe in any circumstances that a doctor wouldn't be concerned about such high readings, given that you have been diagnosed since January. Ring your gp surgery this morning and ask for a appointment with another gp today, failing that go along to your local infirmary and seek medical attention as these levels are dangerously high.

Best wishes

Nigel
 

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Hi Tine

I am T2 veggie too, and while all our bodies are different this is what is working for mine at the moment.

I cannot eat Wheat at all, I only ever ate wholemeal bread and pasta anyway, but have found that wheat raises my BG very high and it is stubborn too when I have eaten wheat. Perversly I can eat potatoes - not huge amounts but half a jacket potatoe is fine.

I cannot eat any fruit except for a small banana. I drank what I thought was a zero sugar drink the other week and my bg shot up, I only found out after, that it was actually no added sugar, and contained a small amount of real orange juice.

I cannot eat a yogurt with a meal, however low carb, as even the lowest carb vegetarian yogurt, has too much sugar, but I can eat it one on its own occasionally

I can eat most vegetables without worrying, except of course for carrots and the starchy root vegetables, I can eat some of those but a restricted amount.

I can eat pulses of all descriptions, and most nuts -though some are high carb so check the packet.

Do you eat quorn? I like it and so does my body, so it is a great filler for me. quorn chilli (but no rice) quorn bolognaise (but no spaghetti). I use quorn slices instead of bread and will make a cheese 'sandwich' with a small amount of chutney (watch the sugar in chutney) Some mayo's have lower carbs than others to add interest.

I have quorn 'bacon' and eggs with mushrooms for breakfast, as I cannot tolerate any carbs at all in the morning.

Salads are great but watch the dressings, so many comercial dressings contanin huge amount of sugar, and lots of the bad fats.

And cheese, I love cheese and mostly it is low carb and so great to fill you up. If I have soup instead of the roll I will sprinkle some cheese in it to add bulk and so on.

But as everybody has said please don't delay when your BG is so high and making you feel so ill.

annie xxxx
 

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I can really sympathise with you here as I too have been struggling to get control of my BG. I was diagnosed in June with levels similar to yours, I tried eating healthly but it wasn't having as big an impact as I expected and my average BG was about 15 spiking to 19.

Last week I started with a reduced carb diet limiting me to about 100 Grams of carbs a day and have started testing before and 2 hours after meals to work out what food have what impact on my body.

Already my average is now 11.1 2 hours after meals and the lowest I've been was 8.1. Those numbers will still sound very high to many around here but to me it means I'm moving in the right direction.

I did feel a little woosy for a couple of days after going low carb but now my body seems used to. Surprisingly I'm not as hungry as I expected to be.
 

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I found a lowish carb diet reduced my appetite which was a helpful bonus :)
 

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Vegatable lasagne made with thin slices of celariac instead of the pasta is a tasty low carb veggie meal.
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Some types of Quorn has quite a high carb content. Check the packaging when you buy it. Quorn bacon has 3.5gm of carbs per 100gm so not too high.
 

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sugarless sue said:
Some types of Quorn has quite a high carb content. Check the packaging when you buy it. Quorn bacon has 3.5gm of carbs per 100gm so not too high.



Yes, sorry you do have to watch some of the quorn items, the particularly high ones are those that have been made into something, such as grills with breadcrumbs on them. They can have amounts like 16gm of carb. One of the lamb style grills has 6.8gm carb, the sausages vary. The 4 slices of 'bacon' I have for breakfast has 2.2gm carbs, nothing compared to the carb value of toast or poridge.

I should have been clearer I was talking about the plain quorn to use in recipes and not the ready made meals or preformed grills etc.

I cook meals with the quorn 'chicken pieces' or 'mince' they have 5.8 and 4.5 gm per 100gm respecivly which is more than enough to make a main meal for 1 person, when mixed into a meal with vegetable. And as I do not eat potatoes or pasta etc with them it is still a low total carb count- unless of course you use peas or sweetcorn as veg :D .

The quorn 'chicken' slices have 2.25 gm and the 'ham' 3.2 gm carb per 4 slices which I make into sandwiches with cheese. There is also a quorn pate which has less carbs than the cracker to put it on - something like 2gm for 1/4 of a pot.
 

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Hi Shygirl,
Have you tried getting frozen blueberries? They work out much cheaper, and they are great when the weather is hot, if ever that happens. :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

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I am unsure where the dividing line between low and reduced carb is, and I would have no idea where exactly I fall on the line. I eat very little rice or potatoes, and no bread or pasta at all.

I am not very strict with myself over checking the carbs in cheeses as they are one of my main foods, I just love cheese, couldn't live without it. And I don't count up the carb's in vegetables, as I love them and without them would have nothing to eat with my cheese. :lol:

But I do restrict the amount of veg such as carrots. peas and sweetcorn that I eat, and never eat fruit apart from a (very) occasional, very small banana.

I do eat pulses and my body seems to like them as long as there are not too many of them.

So I have often wondered to myself if I am low carb or reduced carb, but yes it is impossible to be really low carb as a veggie.