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...I think we would have been less hostile if you had not offered it as a means of reversing our condition, and perhaps posted in the vegetarian section...
Doubt it.
...I think we would have been less hostile if you had not offered it as a means of reversing our condition, and perhaps posted in the vegetarian section...
You know, this is exactly why I don't visit or post on DUK very much these days. It doesn't seem five minutes ago that those who posted about LCHF were being harangued and ridiculed by the majority.
So someone posts an alternative viewpoint and then is treated in exactly the same way that the original LCHF proponents were.
As some may know, I was a vocal proponent of LCHF a few years back. I faithfully followed it, trying higher fat, lower fat, higher carb, lower carb and even zero carb for a while, in an attempt to reverse my T2 and weight gain. But to no avail.
Still tired, little energy, very sluggish, the only way I can lose weight is not eat at all, and the more fat and/or animal protein I eat, the worse my insulin resistance gets And the more sluggish I get. Not only that but regardless of what I have tried, my digestion has been struggling to digest animal protein for some time, and has been interminably slow and my kidneys have also been struggling.
So I have finally given up trying. And yes, I have been transitioning to WFPB food. I came across this thread when doing research on Diabetes and WFPB.
Having long been scared of fruit, I have been starting the day with an array of fruits - watermelon, grapes, cherries, strawberries, grapefruit, etc., and even a banana! I am eating sweet potato, rice, beans, peas and other veg, either as salad or cooked, and yes, it has pushed my blood sugar higher initially, yet within a week it is starting to respond to the insulin so much better! I can see how this could potentially reverse insulin resistance given time.
It is interesting that whilst none of the groups logged as the healthiest, long-lived, etc., eat a totally plant-based diet, they do eat in general a very plant-heavy diet with limited amounts of animal protein, compared to those eating the Western diet.
Dr. Cyrus Khambatta has some interesting videos on YouTube about the benefits of WFPB. He is Type 1 himself. I had avoided watching the film Forks Over Knives until a few days ago, as I thought it was Vegan Propaganda (sorry to any vegans), but it is actually very enlightening. There are some interesting reversal experiences using WFPB on YouTube and the net now too since this thread was triggered.
So, in a week I have lost 1lb of weight (1lb loss per week seems to be normal for this regime), my energy seems to be improving slightly, my elimination is quick and easy (after being constipated most of my LCHF life), my insulin sensitivity is improving and I am sleeping better. Time will tell......
We just have to stop this 'one size fits all' attitude. If LCHF works for you, and has reversed your Diabetes, that is wonderful. If another approach works for someone else, that is wonderful too! Above all, let's be encouraging one another, not belittling....
I think this is an oversimplification, and I cannot find any evidence that this is what happens.>>>>>>
However, the WFPB regime works by clearing the excess fat out of the cells so that insulin sensitivity returns.
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This is how I see insulin resistance.
I believe it is caused by a combination of too much insulin and too much glucose. When we eat, insulin is produced to push the glucose into the cells. The more insulin there is, the more glucose it will push in. The cells become full to bursting because there is simply too much glucose for their needs so start to reject further glucose. This in turn promotes a larger production of insulin, of which some is successful in pushing more glucose in but some isn't. Some of the glucose spills out of the cells back into the blood stream. The pancreas produces even more insulin to try and push this glucose back in the cells. More insulin, more resistance from the cells, more glucose in the bloodstream and the more glucose in our cells, not doing us any good at all. It is a vicious circle - the more glucose there is, the more insulin is produced and the worse the resistance to insulin becomes and the more glucose gets stored as fat making the cells even more unhappy.
If we are to reverse diabetes we have to stop putting excess glucose in our bodies and also burn off the stored fat deposits in the cells to make room for some glucose. The cells will be happy, insulin production will reduce, whatever glucose we have will easily enter the cells for energy without the cells becoming full.
To me, this necessitates a diet low in carbohydrate, the lower the better. It also requires some effort to burn off the old stored fat, and fasting appears to be one way of doing this. There may well be other ways. How we achieve a sustainable low carb diet is personal to each of us.
If that is the case, then how come people like Cyrus Khambatta are consuming 10, 15 times the amount of carbs they used to yet have far better insulin response now? How come that within a week I am now eating lots of fruit, rice, beans, etc., and am still only taking around 30 units insulin or even less and am waking up with low FBG no higher than the night before ...? (Taking 40, 50 units or more was just not moving my blood sugar down on LCHF or even LC Lower Fat and dawn phenomenon was a big issue with me often waking up with FBG of 10, 12, 14 or more).
You are right to point out that the body burns the excess fat when glucose in blood is depleted. But with a high intake of carbs, then the glucose is not depleted, and this switches off the ketosis mode, and the body happily munches glucose in preference to fat, so the liver does not empty. This is why ketosis is so important in shifting fatty liver deposits, as well as emptying the muscles of their stores as well, otherwise the body has a near constant supply of blood glucose to burn. WFPB is a high carb diet.How can a low fat diet starve the body of lipids if it still carries excess fat..? It is widely known that the body can burn fat when excess glucose is depleted. The concept of this is that it seems to be able to restore insulin sensitivity.
Reversing diabetes isn't just about lowering blood glucose, it is about removing insulin resistance so that insulin sensitivity is restored.
It's not just fat in the liver that is the issue, but fat in other cells, especially the muscles. The muscles cannot burn sugar if they too are stuffed with fat. Too much of a good thing is not necessarily a good thing.
If you have reversed your insulin resistance by eating meat and fat, that is awesome, but despite sticking faithfully to it for 8/9 years, all that happened for me was that I gained over 30lbs (on top of my already very ample frame) and my IR got worse.......
Good question there.My post was just giving my opinion on what I believe causes insulin resistance.
What do you think causes insulin resistance? I am genuinely interested to know.
I'm tending to take everything I eat with a touch of salt....
So I must be wrong in thinking IR is due to fatty liver.
Think it is both:Is that what you believe?
I was under the impression it is the other way round, that a fatty liver is due to insulin resistance, and that the fatty liver is the last thing to happen in a chain of events starting with excess insulin and excess glucose, then insulin resistance, then fat storage.
I am open to being proved wrong.
Think it is both:
https://www.dietdoctor.com/insulin-fatty-liver-disease
This is of course by Jason Fung, so is awaiting confirmation by others, so is not proof yet. But there are others who agree with his thought process, including specialists in South Africa and Australia.