Hang Ups With Food

Ian_L

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Hi all, this is my 2nd post. I am a mid 50's male. My bloods, with medication, have come down from 90 upon diagnosis to 50. My nurse says she is happy with me between 48 & 52. All new to me. I don't eat sweets, chocolate, cake etc and have drunk no more than 12 pints of low vol beer in 12 months. Red wine if I do. I spend my waking day reading labels and to be quite honest am always hungry. If I work say 13 hrs which on occasion I do then I can feel there is no fuel in the tank. Any tips as to what I can safely eat or snack if I need to top up on a long day. I was a massive fruit eater, now I can only dream
I'm still figuring this out as I literally packed in the Gym 3yrs ago and hill /fell walking took its place so I have always been active. My Diabetic Nurse tells me to slow down. I weigh slightly heavy for my height due to muscle residue but still am only 12st 9lbs for 5' 10". Any food tips gladly received. Sorry to go on but still getting around the food thing.
 

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Hi @Ian_L and welcome!

Can I ask which medication you are on and what your diet currently looks like? That will help people to give you better advice.

I’m also tagging @daisy1 who has some helpful advice for newbies.
 
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Hi all, this is my 2nd post. I am a mid 50's male. My bloods, with medication, have come down from 90 upon diagnosis to 50. My nurse says she is happy with me between 48 & 52.

I, for one, would certainly not be happy with that range ... it's far too high.
 

Ian_L

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Hi, thanks for your reply. I am currently on 2 Metformin in the morning and 2 in the evening.
Morning is a crumpet with Marmite. Lunch is cooked meat and some form of veg though not anything that grows below ground. Evening meal is red meat, chicken or fish with peas and sweet corn or egg noodles. If I have missed lunch then I have had to take on a white bread sandwich or not eat at all but that is rare. I occasionally have a piece of battered fish at work but it's a tiny portion and rarely happens. Once a month treat is a takeaway but I have foo yung with no sauce and share a portion of fried rice. Snack is dark Ryvita with occasionally low fat cheese, mainly plain though. Weekend breakfast out is a piece of whole meal toast with 1 piece of crispy bacon over 1 slice of black pudding with a poached egg on top. I'm on my feet for a lot of the day at work and cover at least 2 miles. When at home before tea I take my ridgeback for a 2.5 mile heathland walk.
That is the more or less it, you know my life
 

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That diet needs changes ... rice, crumpets, white bread? No wonder you're not in the 40s
 

Ian_L

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That diet needs changes ... rice, crumpets, white bread? No wonder you're not in the 40s
Hi, thanks for your reply. Sorry, that white bread was one sandwich in 12 months, not a regular and was prior to my last bloods. My nurse told me there isn't much in a crumpet, I have only 1 then don't eat for 4 hours. You got me on the half portion of rice a month though.
 

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Hi, thanks for your reply. I am currently on 2 Metformin in the morning and 2 in the evening.
Morning is a crumpet with Marmite. Lunch is cooked meat and some form of veg though not anything that grows below ground. Evening meal is red meat, chicken or fish with peas and sweet corn or egg noodles. If I have missed lunch then I have had to take on a white bread sandwich or not eat at all but that is rare. I occasionally have a piece of battered fish at work but it's a tiny portion and rarely happens. Once a month treat is a takeaway but I have foo yung with no sauce and share a portion of fried rice. Snack is dark Ryvita with occasionally low fat cheese, mainly plain though. Weekend breakfast out is a piece of whole meal toast with 1 piece of crispy bacon over 1 slice of black pudding with a poached egg on top. I'm on my feet for a lot of the day at work and cover at least 2 miles. When at home before tea I take my ridgeback for a 2.5 mile heathland walk.
That is the more or less it, you know my life

Hi. There are a few things that might be spiking your blood sugars - crumpets, rice, white bread, sweet corn, noodles, ryvita - do you have a meter so you can test the impact by testing before and two hours after eating? I would strongly recommend getting one if you don’t already have one.

You could also try replacing some of those low fat products with the full fat versions - would likely help with the hunger. Replacing some of the carbs with fat would also help you to feel full for longer.
 
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Ian_L

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Hi. There are a few things that might be spiking your blood sugars - crumpets, rice, white bread, sweet corn, noodles, ryvita - do you have a meter so you can test the impact by testing before and two hours after eating? I would strongly recommend getting one if you don’t already have one.

You could also try replacing some of those low fat products with the full fat versions - would likely help with the hunger. Replacing some of the carbs with fat would also help you to feel full for longer.


Thanks, the white bread was once so I sort of discount that. That's what I'm wondering as to what I can eat. Frustrating
 

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You're not alone with the frustrating part .... but get a meter to test and you'll see what spikes you. The painful truth is that it's hard to accept dietary changes must be made.
 

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Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and get on with it, so to speak. It can be hard at first, it's a big adjustment but the results are amazing. Keep trying.
 

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Hi @Ian_L,

Many of us here snack on nuts (macademias, almonds, pecans, brazil and hazelnuts work well). Also cheese, salami, pork scratchings will not normally raise your blood sugars. One or two squares of high cocoa content chocolate (70% or higher) are also okay.

The best idea, though, is use your glucose meter to find out what works for you. In other words, measure your blood sugar before you eat and two hours after eating. The rule is that the food is fine if the rise is 2 mmol or less (preferably less).
 

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For me, nuts are a good option when I need something to hold me over. Usually its almonds or sunflower seeds. I also choose walnuts on occasion.
 

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Meter reading...eat....meter reading (2-3hrs later)......meter reading...eat....meter reading....record all times, readings and food eaten at end of day...sleep...meter reading...eat...meter reading.....record...record..consult record...adapt diet...get lower than the 48 your DN thinks is acceptable (aim for 43..then 41..then 39) get on with life and enjoy it all where possible in between (ignoring the news as much as possible and pretending we live in a world where police forces don't beat up old people for daring to vote..etc..etc).
Good luck.
 

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Hi @Ian_L ..
You have done extremely well so far in bringing your numbers down but the key point to take on board now is that managing and controlling your diabetes through exercise, diet and testing your blood glucose seems to be the best way forward for many people. For me, committing to an LCHF (Low Carb High Fat) lifestyle and testing 3-5 times a day seems to be working and you'll find that there is a wealth of info, relevant advice and positive support about LCHF on the forum ..

I see that @Goonergal has already tagged @ daisy1 for you and I suggest that you read up on the valuable information that she will soon be sending to you. You might also find the discussion on the Low Carb Diet forum helpful .. together with the following Diet Doctor websites, which will give you all the info that you need on what and what not to eat ...
Low Carb Intro and Information and Low Carbs in 60 Seconds

Not sure if you are testing but, if not, it is a top priority that you get yourself a test meter and, for this, the following websites might help:
https://homehealth-uk.com/product-category/blood-glucose/
for the SD Codefree meter, which costs £12.98 or:
http://spirit-healthcare.co.uk/product/tee2-blood-glucose-meter/
who distribute the TEE 2 meter, which is free.
I have both which I alternate for comparative purposes and I have never found any significant difference between them.

The costs of testing comes down to the ongoing charges for test strips and lancets. Make sure that you tick the appropriate box on the on-line order form and you won't pay VAT on your meter or strips.
For the SD Codefree, the strips are £7.69 for a pack of 50 and there are discount codes available for bulk purchases:
5 packs x 50 use code: 264086 .. cost is £29.49
10 packs x 50 use code: 975833 .. cost is £58.98
For the TEE 2, the strips are £7.75 for a pack of 50 .. but there are no discount codes currently available

I'm testing 3-5 times a day which works out at around £10 to £12 per month for either of the two packages above but, more importantly, I now know what my BG levels are .. and I can now manage them

Hope this helps
 
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Kentoldlady1

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Another vote here for the meter. Do you test? And your dn is wrong. The numbers she is happy with are too high.
 

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@Ian_L

Hello Ian and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask more questions when you need to and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 250,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why
  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 

Phoenix55

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Welcome to the forum and I would endorse further the meter/eat/meter record mantra but add to it drinks and exercise taken. It looks as if the rice, noodles etc. are too high in carbs for your body to tolerate at the moment. Your dn may not have told you yet but the NHS view T2 diabetes as progressive so the level of medication you will require will increase over the next few years if you continue on this path. If you really cut down on the carbs (check the label on that Ryvita pack for the number of carbs per 100 g you may be surprised) then you may find that you will be able to cut down on the medication you are currently taking. You say you are constantly hungry but if you have replaced carbs with healthy fats found in oily fish, olives, eggs and other dairy products you should not feel hungry and your body will have plenty of fuel to keep it going without you needing to 'slow down'. I keep a bar of high percentage chocolate in the fridge for the occasional indulgent square after an evening meal, a couple of olives or a piece of cheese at other times is enough for me until the next meal.
 

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"Insulin also drives hunger, so when you eat carbohydrates you will produce insulin, which may well make you feel hungry again after a couple of hours."

Cavan, David. Reverse Your Diabetes: The Step-by-Step Plan to Take Control of Type 2 Diabetes (Kindle Locations 1214-1216). Ebury Publishing. Kindle Edition.

This is from chapter 9 on carbs and he goes on to recount his personal experience.