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wea1969

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After two years of being monitored for pre-diabetes, I finally got the news I didn’t want. My levels have gone up!

My issue has always been that I do t fit within the ‘typical’ stereotype. I am not overweight, I exercise daily so regarded as pretty fit, I have a healthy diet (all the suggest foods), I occasionally drink socially and by no means to excess. I went through (again) with the nurse as to the reasons or causes and she just couldn’t find a answer. Lots of head scratching. She described me as Type 2.5 as I don’t fit into either type.

It is so frustrating. I am struggling to look for areas to improve my health. I shall take the Metformin as directed but would really appreciate any suggestions.

Will
 
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Hello and welcome to the forum. A few details for you. Up to 20% of people diagnosed with Type 2 Diabetes are not overweight/slim/thin. Many people consider themselves fit and healthy. I am surprised that your Diabetes Nurse was unaware of that. I am newly diagnosed (less than six months) and I havn't heard of 2.5 Diabetes but that does not mean that it doesn't exist. Have you been tested to rule out T1 or LADA?
 
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Grateful

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My issue has always been that I do t fit within the ‘typical’ stereotype.

Nor do I. That's because the stereotype is wrong. I am 6-foot-4, have been stick-thin most of my life, have always exercised (but irregularly) and had a Mediterranean diet, which is conventionally described as very healthy.

For the moment I am assuming you are indeed Type 2 and any advice you may derive from my post should be seen in that context.

I know that you will spend quite a lot of time wondering what "caused" your diabetes. When I was diagnosed, it was like a lightning bolt. You could not have invented a bigger surprise! No-one really knows what "causes" Type 2 and whoever figures it out is sure to win a Nobel! It is "associated" with certain factors such as being overweight or inactive, but there are plenty of T2s who don't fit what you rightly described as the "stereotype." Plus, there are lots of grossly obese people walking around (I see them every day here in America) who will never develop diabetes.

The good news is that some of us are able to control our T2 entirely with a low-carb diet, and stepped-up exercise. I cannot say whether this will work for you, and the medical profession tends to be resistant to the idea. But I would definitely think about it, and this forum is a great place for information.

My case is apparently similar to yours. See signature below for how a low-carb method can work.
 
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daisy1

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@wea1969

Hello Wea1969 and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you need to and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 250,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why
  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 

Daibell

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Hi. LADA (aka T1.5) is a possibility. If you are slim, have a sensible low-carb diet and have possibly lost weight unexpectedly then LADA becomes possible. Whatever your current diagnosis you may need to have something like Gliclazide added to your script to control your blood sugar. Ask the DN/GP for the two tests for T1/T1.5 i.e c-peptide and GAD. The former will tell whether you have excess insulin (T2) or not enough (T1). A negative GAD doesn't exclude being T1.5. There is no type 2.5 but T1.5 and T3c are for late onset where you have a lack of insulin
 

Wshelledy

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As for why you developed diabetes: There is a very strong genetic component. Does any one else in the family have diabetes? Not just your parents, also look at grandparents, aunts and uncles. For many people its not about lifestyle its about what genes you inherited. If you have the genes for it you can control the progression. You will still have diabetes but you may achieve very good control with diet and exercise. Its a battle but you CAN live a full life. Figure out what works for YOU and let go of the why. Its not something you did wong. Its just the hand you were dealt.
 
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Kentoldlady1

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As wshelley says, genetics are hugely important. I have many family members with t2d. Also some with t1d. And a couple with ms. And I have hypothyroidism as did many of my aunts and some of my cousins. And a few other autoimmune disorders.

Genetics play a huge part in our illness but for the most part hcps dont even ask about family history. Its as if they have decided that only fat, sedentary people can possible develop t2d and the only reason they develop it is because they are fat and sedentary! Hopefully there will be more research into the true cause of t2d. And hopefully some more education for hcps .
 
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Prem51

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Hi @wea1969 and welcome to the forum. It is a shock when you get that diagnosis, even if you knew you were in the pre-diabetic range, it was for me too. But you can lower your blood sugar levels gain. A lot of the Type 2s on here have done that by adopting a low Carbohydrate High Fat (LCHF) approach to eating.
Have a read round the threads to see how it works and ask any questions you want to. The people on here are friendly and you will get a lot of good advice and support.
 
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