High Morning Readings - fed up

Providence 62

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I have been diagnosed for nearly 4 years now and I still get horrible morning readings. If I test throughout the day my readings aren't too bad at all. The morning readings are awful 9s and 10s and worse. Last night was a classic case. I took a reading shortly before bedtime and it was 7.2. On waking this morning it was 10.1. Was so fed up.

My numbers do run on the high side and I am tackling this with my doctor and diabetic nurse. I am following all the rules and I enjoy being out and about walking, so am not sure what is happening.

Anyone else have this issue with the morning readings - and if so what is the rest of the day like?

Thanks

P


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Margaretjamieson

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I have been diagnosed for nearly 4 years now and I still get horrible morning readings. If I test throughout the day my readings aren't too bad at all. The morning readings are awful 9s and 10s and worse. Last night was a classic case. I took a reading shortly before bedtime and it was 7.2. On waking this morning it was 10.1. Was so fed up.

My numbers do run on the high side and I am tackling this with my doctor and diabetic nurse. I am following all the rules and I enjoy being out and about walking, so am not sure what is happening.

Anyone else have this issue with the morning readings - and if so what is the rest of the day like?

Thanks

P


@Margaretjamieson

Hello I sympathise with you I am as you know in the same boat and a daily battle - just reading about the dawn phenomenon and the scholarly articles have bamboozled me somewhat! Have you read any? But, this one seems a bit more straightforward and explains it a bit better...
https://idmprogram.com/dawn-phenomenon-t2d-8/
 

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Thanks Margaretjamieson, I've just read your link and yes it does explain things well. I'm a newbie at testing T2 and the results are all over the place, but now I understand why the morning reading can be high. Thank you.
 

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Hello I sympathise with you I am as you know in the same boat and a daily battle - just reading about the dawn phenomenon and the scholarly articles have bamboozled me somewhat! Have you read any? But, this one seems a bit more straightforward and explains it a bit better...
https://idmprogram.com/dawn-phenomenon-t2d-8/
Really understandable explanation of Dawn Phenomenon Thank you
 

Providence 62

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Hello I sympathise with you I am as you know in the same boat and a daily battle - just reading about the dawn phenomenon and the scholarly articles have bamboozled me somewhat! Have you read any? But, this one seems a bit more straightforward and explains it a bit better...
https://idmprogram.com/dawn-phenomenon-t2d-8/
Thanks @Margaretjamieson reading that has made me feel quite a bit better about my high levels of BG in the mornings! It is something that can be worked on, which is good! Thank you again.
 

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@Granbee welcome to the forum. I will tag @daisy1 who will kindly post the excellent information for newcomers.
 

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@Granbee

Hello Granbee and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will be able to help.


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On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

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Controlling your carbs

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Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
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This is a great article. I’m currently struggling with my levels, they’re all over the place and are always high in the morning. Now I understand why. Has anyone tried fasting?
 

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I intermittent fast (no breakfast) and have been doing so since diagnosis. I reckon it has helped hugely in bring my blood sugars dow. I would however say that FBG were the last to drop to "normal" levels and I still get odd spikes for no apparent reason. On Wednesday they were 5.4 then on Thursday 6.6 and now this morning 6.1. I have however developed a bit of a cold yesterday so wonder if my morning levels were predicting an illness.
 
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Rev206

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So I guess missing lunch every day probably won’t harm me if I try that
 

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I like the "fire in the hole" analogy but that is my sense of humour lol.
But seriously the article gives a very good explanation of the phenomenom.
 

Providence 62

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I like the "fire in the hole" analogy but that is my sense of humour lol.
But seriously the article gives a very good explanation of the phenomenom.
Had to laugh when I read the 'fire in the hole' thing.
 
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Alison Campbell

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So I guess missing lunch every day probably won’t harm me if I try that

Please test carefully for low blood sugars when fasting if you are taking gliclazide and make sure you carry something to treat a hypo.
 

Rev206

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Thanks Alison I will. I’m on Metformin & Gliclazide so will make sure I keep an eye on my bloods
 
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ickihun

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am afraid that I am just terrible at fasting! I get really grumpy. Okay for a short term fix, but not as a long term option.
Me too. Or i take it too far. Gulp!
Did you try a liver block like I suggested? How did you get on?
 

Providence 62

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Me too. Or i take it too far. Gulp!
Did you try a liver block like I suggested? How did you get on?
Now you mention it, I didn't. What is a liver block? is it like a fat bomb?