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From responses so far there seems to be some confusion as to how pensions work, so here's a very simplified guide.

Step 1 - paying for your pension.
You pay contributions into your pension fund. This might be a pension scheme provided by your employer (in which case you don't have a choice of where or how the money gets invested), or could be a private pension that you have set up for yourself (e.g. a stakeholder pension). If it is a company scheme then your employer may add an extra contribution over and above what you pay. What you pay comes out of taxed income, so when the pension company gets your monthly contribution they claim back from HMRC the tax that you paid and this gets added to your fund.

The pension company will invest your monthly contributions in a mix of things: equities (shares), bonds, loans, government stocks, cash, property, investment trusts, and many more). Some will be high risk and some low risk investments. In the early years a higher proportion will be invested in higher risk, and as you get closer to your chosen retirement age they switch the funds into lower risk investments to preserve the fund value.

The pension companies that provide this service are experts in investing and that is their real strength.

Step 2 - at retirement age
When you first join a pension scheme, or set up your own pension, you will be asked what age you expect to retire at. You can change your mind about what age you actually retire at later, but the pension companies must have a guideline to work to because there are legal requirements they must follow when you get close to the age you have given them. Firstly they must remind you when you are in your last year before retirement age, and then remind you again 6 weeks before the retirement date.

They will tell you how much pension you would be paid if you were to buy your annuity from them. By law they must advise you that you do not have to take your pension from them, but you have what is called an Open Market Option. This allows you to shop around to see if you can get a better annuity rate from another company. If you do decide to buy the annuity from somewhere else then your pension company is not allowed to charge you or make any deduction for transferring the fund elsewhere.

Pension companies don’t want to lose your business, which they know they will do if you shop around and see just what a poor deal they are offering. So most pension companies do one of two things - they include the open market option details in such small print and buried amongst all the other legal bits they have to explain that you are unlikely to notice it; or they word it using so much technical jargon that you wouldn't have a clue what they are talking about and would be unlikely to understand its significance. And it is extremely significant. The rate they quote you is never their "best" rate. But they don't tell you that it's negotiable and at least 60% of people don't shop around. They simply sign the acceptance form that comes with the advice pack. Even a person in perfect health who shops around would be likely to get 10% better elsewhere. The pensions companies rely on our inertia, and that is what pays them huge profits.

The same applies if you are in a company scheme (provided it is not a final salary scheme - because you can't improve on them). You don't have to take your annuity from the pension company that has been looking after your fund, even though it is the "preferred" company of your employer. You are just as entitled to shop around, and if you have diabetes then you really should shop around because no pension company is prepared to match the enhanced annuities that the specialist annuity companies offer.

You will often see tables of annuity rates published in the financial sections of the press. If you look at these you will see that, even on a standard annuity for a healthy person there can be a big difference between what the highest and lowest will pay. Sometimes you will see tables for smokers and these pay out higher rates than the healthy ones - because a smoker is likely to have a lower life expectancy. What the papers don't publish is rates for enhanced or impaired annuities because there is no set rate - each has to be individually calculated depending on your own circumstances.

So what exactly is an annuity?
This is what you use your pension fund to buy. You are not allowed to just cash in your fund and walk off with the cash. In exchange for that pension fund your annuity provider will pay you an income for the rest of your life. The income can be paid at a flat rate (what you are paid never changes), or it can increase annually, can be paid to a dependent after your death, and many other combinations. What type of income or protection you opt for will dictate how much gets paid each month. Generally if you opt for a “joint life” annuity (where your spouse will continue to be paid after you die), then the annuity would be about half what would be paid if it was only in your name.

Once you have made your choice, you can never change this. Whatever you choose is for the remainder of your life, so it had better be the right choice.

What happens when I die?
If you die before you have bought an annuity, then the money in your pension fund is returned and forms part of your estate. If you have taken an annuity that will continue to pay a dependent after your death then your dependent will continue to be paid. If the annuity is in your name only then whatever has not been paid out is the annuity company’s profit. You could have a pension fund of £50,000, hand it over to buy an annuity, get the first months payment, and then die. The annuity company has made a nice fat profit from you. In many respects it’s the opposite of life insurance. You could take out an insurance policy and peg it a month later and the insurer loses out. With an annuity, if you die too soon then you lose out and the insurer profits.

Where someone has a significantly shortened life expectancy, then there is another option to taking an annuity. This is to leave the fund where it is and to take from the fund what is called “income drawdown”. There are legal limits on how much can be drawn in this way, but it ensures that whatever remains undrawn in the fund can be inherited if you die. Unfortunately you can only take income drawdown up to age 75. It is a very useful tool for anyone who expects to not reach 75, but it is not widely advertised, and this is an area on which it is important to get expert advice. So you would need to discuss it with an IFA.

Where does an IFA come into this?
As I mentioned in an earlier post, the specialist annuity companies that offer much higher pensions to diabetics do not deal with the public. They only operate through IFAs, and this is because it is very important that you should take expert advice on which type of annuity (or income drawdown) would be best in your individual circumstances, particularly where those circumstances are your medical history.

How do you find a good IFA if you don’t already have one?
Well, you can do the cheeky thing and go into a local building society (not a bank under any circumstances) and ask who they would recommend – they always know the best ones in your area. Or you could ask a friend, relative or work colleague if they know of an IFA they would recommend. Alternatively do the research yourself. Have a look at one of the “find an IFA” websites, like
http://www.unbiased.co.uk
http://www.searchifa.co.uk
http://www.ifa-guide.co.uk

These all have a search by postcode facility so that you can get a list of the IFAs in your locality. Have a look at their websites before you speak to them. You will find that some are specialists in pensions business, whereas others are specialists in other things like investment planning or insurance. You will soon see which ones are the pensions specialists. Make a short list and phone them or pay them a visit.

How much will this cost me?
Nearly all IFAs will not charge for a first consultation, and generally one meeting is all you will need! If an IFA wants to charge you up front, than don’t use them. IFAs make their money from the commission that is paid to them by the annuity companies, so you don’t have to pay anything to the IFA. Ah, but won’t that mean they will only offer me the one that pays them the most? Actually the commission paid by the annuity providers is pretty standard, so they don’t personally gain by recommending one over another. In addition these days IFAs are probably the most heavily regulated industry there is and they have a code of conduct that ensures that in every case they can only recommend what is best for you. As well as that, they want you to feel that you have had a fantastic service and to recommend them to your friends and colleagues.

I have tried to cover as many questions as I think you might come up with, but I’m sure I will have missed a few. Please don’t be afraid to ask me if there is anything you don’t understand. I am very happy to help, but as I said right at the very beginning, I will not advise you on which pension is right for you. I can only advise you who you should speak to to get that expert advice.
 

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sugarless sue said:
I wish I had one of those private pensions.No matter how long I work for this company I will get sweet...nothing at the end of it.I've been there 17 years but will have to do with the state pension.Should have taken out a pension when I first started but did not think the job would last long! I made sure my kids did not make the same mistake though.they all pay into a private pension.

That's rough, Sue but well done for giving your kids sound advice. Although I no longer work in finance and am a little out of date, I'd urge anyone who hasn't already done so to begin paying as much as they can comfortably afford into a pension plan as soon as possible. Every year that you delay can make a big difference to the income you'll receive in retirement.

Kudos to Dennis for spending his time so thoughtfully. He's absolutely right about consulting an IFA rather than a bank, or insurance company salesman.
 

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When I retired, my bought out pension with Guardian was worth about 95,000. After taking the lump sum, they offered my an pension that would increase annually.

My IFA got all their options, & we settled for option 14 (!) - a fixed sum pension. The incremental pension would become equal in annual value to the fixed amount after 17 years, & only equal in total money after well over 20 years.

Stable type 2 only got a small increase.
 

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thankyou dennis for this thread. i realise I knew absolutly nothing about pensions. Will have to try and remember this in 40 years time!

is there any way to calculate how much approx you will get as your pension by knowing how much you pay in each month.
 

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Dennis said:
PS its only the actuaries who reckon we are going to die sooner.
You and me know we are going to live forever.

Like your style Dennis, you and me will toast the dawn of our red sun as it boils off the atmosphere :D
 

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Sofaraway,
That's very difficult to work out over such a long period, but as a very simple calculation if you were to pay £20 per month, and your employer matched that, and your fund averaged growth of 5% per year, then after 40 years you would have a pension fund of around £70,000. How much pension that would buy in 40 years time will depend on what annuity rates are at that time, but assuming they stay the same as they are today that would buy you a standard pension of £5,000 to £6,000 pa or an enhanced pension for diabetes of at least £7,500, and a good deal more if you had other complications that could be taken into consideration.
 

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Hi Dennis

Please can you give me some advice I am 51 on Monday and do not have a pension - I have never any disposable income. I have started saving for my retirement but am now wondering if I would be better of joining my Company pension plan as I ave been told they will put some money in too; not sure how much. I have T2 with no complications so is it worth me joining the pension scheme or have i left it too late?

Thanks

Jacqueline
 

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You could ask a financial advisor.

I recommend join the company scheme asap. The alternative is only the state pension. I don't know what income support would do in the future. I started a PIP at 48, & its worth 300 a month on top of the state pension - after taking the tax free lump sum.
 

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Hi,
Very intersting about the extra payout, I have an old one that i have not put into for some time, to be honest i didnt have the extra money to use for it.
Could i use this as you say for the extra it says i should only get a few thousand but if i could make it more all the better.
 

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Loving this thread - I'm a partner in a City law firm specialising in pension law :lol: !! Go for it Dennis!! :twisted:
 

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Interesting thread. I am a registered Chartered IFA with 15 years experience in the industry and like Dennis, have absolutely no interest in selling you anything. The enhanced annuity (also known as an impaired life annuity) is, as Dennis said, not something that is commonly publicised. The pensions industry is a minefield and legislation is constantly changing. I notice that many of you have asked Dennis for advice on your particular circumstances which, as he mentioned at the start, is something he absolutely cannot do. The financial services industry is now, fortunately, very heavily regulated but the qualilty of advice you will receive varies greatly. I would urge everyone who has a pension to take professional advice from a fully qualified INDEPENDENT financial adviser. How do you know whether an IFA is a good one? Well, choosing a financial services practice with Chartered status means that the people who are advising you have achieved the highest level of qualifications and must maintain high standards of advice and ethics. Unlike Dennis, I would not recommend asking a local building society as there are few today who are not tied to a bank or insurance company. However, if you have an accountant or solicitor, they may well be able to recommend a competent IFA to whom they have referred previous clients. Alternatively, you can get a list of IFA's local to you on http://www.unbiased.co.uk and you can even check whether they've ever had an complaints made against them by accessing the Financial Services Authority register at http://www.fsa.gov.uk/register/home. Or you could ask friends or relatives whether they can recommend anyone - wor dof mouth is the best advert they say!

I also note that several comments have been made on this thread about paying IFA's for advice. I would say the following:

- any reputable IFA will tell discuss at the outset whether you wish them to be paid by a fee or commission, or a combination of both. They will also tell you exactly how much commission they expect to receive on your transaction; as Dennis has said, commission on annuities is pretty standard so there is no financial advantage to the IFA to recommend one annuity provider over another

- becoming a registered IFA takes lot of study; there are numerous exams to take which may continue throughout the adviser's career. He/she will most likely be constantly learning and keeping up with new legislation and product knowledge - in fact, this is a requirement if the individual is to remain authorised by the FSA. If you went to an accountant for an advice on your tax affairs, you would expect to remunerate them for their time and expert advice, so why should it be different if you ask an IFA to deal with your financial affairs?
 

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So far, nobody has mentioned tax relief on pension plan contributions. Despite Gordon Brown's savagery, this still makes them an attractive way to save for your retirement.

More information here.
 

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Jacqhar said:
Hi Dennis

Please can you give me some advice I am 51 on Monday and do not have a pension - I have never any disposable income. I have started saving for my retirement but am now wondering if I would be better of joining my Company pension plan as I ave been told they will put some money in too; not sure how much. I have T2 with no complications so is it worth me joining the pension scheme or have i left it too late? Jacqueline
Hi Jacqueline,
As I said right at the beginning I cannot give you pensions advice because I am not authorised to do so within the pensions industry. Shadwell may be qualified but it would be unethical for him to do so on an open forum. However, in very general terms, if an employer is willing to contribute to your pension then it would be silly not to take up the offer. It's savings for your future that are not going to cost you anything!

You need to find out more about your company scheme, particularly what percentage of your pay the employee's contribution is, and what percentage the employer will pay. (For example where I work I contribute 4% of my salary, but my employer contributes another 8% on top.) At 51, and assuming that you intend to retire at 60, that gives 9 years of pensions savings. Obviously that won't buy an enormous pension but certainly better than nothing.
 

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Shadwell,
Thanks for stepping in - I felt sure that we must have other pensions expertise amongst the forum members.
 

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Thanks for all the information, but can anyone tell me if i had a policy but now no longer pay into it does that still count.
 

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Graham55 said:
Thanks for all the information, but can anyone tell me if i had a policy but now no longer pay into it does that still count.
Hi Graham,
Assuming that you haven't transferred it into another scheme then it will still be there. It will have been invested so should be continuing to increase in value even though you are not contributing to it. Whoever administers the scheme - your employer or ex-employer if it was a company scheme, or the pension company if it was a private pension, is obliged by law to advise you of the value of the fund every year. If you have details of the scheme and which pension company it is with, then you should write and ask why you haven't been receiving annual statements.
 

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Many Thanks,
Yes i do know who manages the fund and do get statements of what its doing i was just asking would this still entitle me to the extra when i retire, or if i have to change it to one i pay into again.
 

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Hi Graham, no you don't have to be actively paying contributions into your pension plan to qualify for an enhanced annuity rate. You have exactly the same options at retirement as someone who is still making contributions.

On a general note, one thing I would say is that whilst diabetics qualify for an enhanced annuity rate, the enhanced rate may not necessarily be more than the annuity offered to you at retirement by your current pension plan. Some old style pension contracts have something called a Guaranteed Annuity Rate attached to them which are often extremely favourable and may offer a higher pension in retirement than enhanced annuities. It is impossible to predict whether this will be the case until the individual is ready to take his/her pension benefits but it is certainly worth bearing in mind. Again, this illustrates how vital it is to take professional, expert advice regarding your pension.